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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    As I said, your original definition was incomplete.

    Again, using one description of an action taken by a group against a group, is not bullying. Being critical of the Bible is not bullying.
    He wasn't just critical of the Bible....you could have played that card had he not specifically insulted the children that walked out.

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    Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly [not exclusively] when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion and may be directed repeatedly towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or ability.[2][3] The "imbalance of power" may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a "target".
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They don't want to admit that a homosexual can be a bully and that Christians can be a target...
    Really? I don't think Savage was a bully, but I don't think homosexuality is a superpower that prevents gay people from being capable of bullying. I also don't think Christians have superpowers that prevent them from being the targets of bullying. Where do you come up with this stuff?

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    If you are critical of the Bible, you are telling them what to do? If you say "you are a hypocrite if you use parts of the Bible against homosexuals", you are dictating?
    no, that not dictating.. that would be a personal attack.

    when someone tells you to engage, or to not engage, in a certain behavior or action... they are dictating to you... like " go get me a beer" or " ignore the bible" or " don't use the bible as a social or sexuality guide"
    a criticism or critique may follow , or even precede, those mandates, .. but that doesn't detract from the mandate itself.
    Wow, that is quite the stretch, it is "dictating" when you stop someone from doing harm when they use scripture as an excuse for doing harm.

    Really.
    you example is not clear enough to discern.... it may be dictating, it may be a suggestion, it may be indirect advice..... i'd have to see the wording to determine what it is.

    please, don't whine about stretching... your semantics games stretch enough as it is.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You're such a little game-player. I haven't implied anything about anything. I don't need to "back" anything--I posted the links to the the convention and to the program and commented on these. Your bad if you're unfamiliar with what I've posted.

    Perhaps I have misinterpreted posts #473 and 525? So you aren't a budding journo yourself? Apologies if I have misread, but you did seem to acknowledge when you said, "A wimp...because someone criticized parts of a book......and I am a journalist student? Yep, I'm a wimp.....and shouldn't be a journalist."

    And that's right; you shouldn't be if you can't pass Journo 101 and don't understand that your job is not to spin your opinion but, rather, to report on the story. Actually, I kinda hope you're only a theorist. I'd like to know that the upcoming journos know how to root out and also report on facts without interjecting their own editorial opinon, which is the job of...you know...op/eds.
    You totally lost track of this conversation between us, it started at post 690, where you were making your "suggestions" on pre-screening and what the topic was. His topic was " alternative media, social media and creating a movement against bullying."
    Part of the movement against bullying, from his perspective, includes the use of the Bible in the persecution of homosexual teens, some of which have committed suicide IN PART as a result of said bullying.

    I'm still waiting for you to show where I made any claims about being or becoming a journalist.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Really? I don't think Savage was a bully, but I don't think homosexuality is a superpower that prevents gay people from being capable of bullying. I also don't think Christians have superpowers that prevent them from being the targets of bullying. Where do you come up with this stuff?
    I pull it out of my ass....or maybe it is evidenced by the repeated denials of the mere mention of the fact that a homosexual can be a bully. I mean, we all know that they (homosexuals) are not real people and therefore not capable of the same mistakes that the rest of us are, right?
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Really? I don't think Savage was a bully, but I don't think homosexuality is a superpower that prevents gay people from being capable of bullying. I also don't think Christians have superpowers that prevent them from being the targets of bullying. Where do you come up with this stuff?
    Savage clearly has the position of power in that room... he was the speaker. ( the bully pulpit)
    using his position of power, he insults , berates, and some might say intimidates, this group of kids who are Christians.... he might have been fine sticking to beating up the bible, but he also decides to call the kids who left names.... it is not a stretch at all to say he was bullying... hell, he even had an explicit agenda to go along with his attacks ( to get the kids to ignore the parts of the bible about homosexuality)

    he was being a bully... not as bad as some bullies are... no where near as bad as some of the heinous bullies.... but he was still being a bully.


    as far as i'm concerned, anyone can be a bully, and anyone can be a victim... no one , and no group, is excluded from either

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Straw, straw and more straw, no one has made those claims, nor is that what the poster said.
    Shooo lol..I told you yesterday no more interactions shall I have with a troll...

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no, that not dictating.. that would be a personal attack.

    when someone tells you to engage, or to not engage, in a certain behavior or action... they are dictating to you... like " go get me a beer" or " ignore the bible" or " don't use the bible as a social or sexuality guide"
    a criticism or critique may follow , or even precede, those mandates, .. but that doesn't detract from the mandate itself.
    Uh, the statement was "we can learn to ignore the BS in the Bible about homosexuality, like we ignore the BS about shellfish, slavery...."

    That again is hardly a "mandate" or "dictate"



    you example is not clear enough to discern.... it may be dictating, it may be a suggestion, it may be indirect advice..... i'd have to see the wording to determine what it is.

    please, don't whine about stretching... your semantics games stretch enough as it is.
    No, it wasn't a matter of words, it was a matter of stopping someone ACTING OUT in a negative manner while using the Bible as an excuse.

    You can either directly deal with what was said by Savage or the posters here, or you can keep imagining what the issue is......but choose one...please.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Savage clearly has the position of power in that room... he was the speaker. ( the bully pulpit)
    using his position of power, he insults , berates, and some might say intimidates, this group of kids who are Christians.... he might have been fine sticking to beating up the bible, but he also decides to call the kids who left names.... it is not a stretch at all to say he was bullying... hell, he even had an explicit agenda to go along with his attacks ( to get the kids to ignore the parts of the bible about homosexuality)

    he was being a bully... not as bad as some bullies are... no where near as bad as some of the heinous bullies.... but he was still being a bully.


    as far as i'm concerned, anyone can be a bully, and anyone can be a victim... no one , and no group, is excluded from either

    They all know savage was wrong and the bully.....everyone in the thread knows it....

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He wasn't just critical of the Bible....you could have played that card had he not specifically insulted the children that walked out.

    Bullying - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion and may be directed repeatedly towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or ability. The "imbalance of power" may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a "target".
    Fixed your editing, and again I'll repost the bit further on....


    Bullying is an act of repeated aggressive behavior in order to intentionally hurt another person, physically or mentally. Bullying is characterized by an individual behaving in a certain way to gain power over another person.[16]
    Norwegian researcher Dan Olweus defines bullying as when a person is
    "exposed, repeatedly and over time, to negative actions on the part of one or more other persons." He defines negative action as "when a person intentionally inflicts injury or discomfort upon another person, through physical contact, through words or in other ways".
    Again, one remark towards a groups action is not "bullying"....it is stretching.

    Criticizing parts of the Bible is not "bullying".
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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