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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    What's sad.... is all the outrage over Dan Savages words towards kids but very little over the harsh, belittling words directed at gays constantly. Why? Because they're "filtered through Jesus" and that somehow makes it okay. I wonder how many of these kids Dan Savage spoke to will commit suicide because of what he said....

    Maybe that has something to do with the point of the thread...which is Dan Savage and this incident. Is it your opinion that unless a kid commits suicide as the result of an action that that action was not bullying?
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Obviously you're not reading some of the 'reliably liberal' blogs because you would find lots of attacks against Dems - including the President - for not doing enough in the fight over gay marriage.

    Criticism mounts over Obama punt on gay Exec Order. NYT calls it "cynical hedge"

    Stop playing it cute on gay rights

    Obama's Gay Rights Evolution Is on Hold
    Why dont we just stick with 'present company'

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yes...you do...in your every word, post, and thread. Its who you are. Truth is a bitch, aint it.
    Repost them then. What does Jesus say about Liars? Not bearing false witness is a commandment, yes? See, you're a LOUSY example of a Christian

    The ONLY time I said the word "Conservative" is when I said "I dont care if they're a liberal Christian or conservative Christian"

    YOU are the one making this about Conservatives and Republicans.... bigotry knows NO political party. So go back and find the posts where I say "conservative" and "republican", other than the one I quoted myself saying above, and repost them. And then, go pray and ask God to help you with your lying problem
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    By taking advantage of a captive audience to preach an anti-Christian message, and verbally abusing children.
    Really an "anti-Christian message" or simply one calling out SOME who call themselves Christian for not accepting the reality of the words found in their holy text?

    "verbally abusing children", is a nice use of words. When some teenagers are offended by the speech of a gay-rights advocate, they are "children". If a teenager commits a crime, they are often charged as "adults". So which is it? Where is the line between 'child' and adult?
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Repost them then. What does Jesus say about Liars? Not bearing false witness is a commandment, yes? See, you're a LOUSY example of a Christian

    The ONLY time I said the word "Conservative" is when I said "I dont care if they're a liberal Christian or conservative Christian"

    YOU are the one making this about Conservatives and Republicans.... bigotry knows NO political party. So go back and find the posts where I say "conservative" and "republican", other than the one I quoted myself saying above, and repost them. And then, go pray and ask God to help you with your lying problem
    Every post you make is about liberals and conservatives. Its who you are. Guess you cant help it...can you.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Every post you make is about liberals and conservatives. Its who you are. Guess you cant help it...can you.
    Wait, first you said every post I say Conservative and Republican, now you're saying every post I say Liberals and Conservative...stop lying so much, dude...clearly you cant remember what you're saying.

    I'm done having this conversation with you.... you like being a drama wh*re apparently. Really, if I were you, I'd spend less time on the internet and more time fostering my relationship with Christ...clearly you need to. Now, have a wonderful day!
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Really an "anti-Christian message" or simply one calling out SOME who call themselves Christian for not accepting the reality of the words found in their holy text?

    "verbally abusing children", is a nice use of words. When some teenagers are offended by the speech of a gay-rights advocate, they are "children". If a teenager commits a crime, they are often charged as "adults". So which is it? Where is the line between 'child' and adult?
    So THATS what you heard in his words?

    And the whole 'pansy' comment. Hey...its just good fun to verbally attack people (and the derogatory effeminate reference...VERY nice) because they dare to disagree with you. THATS not bullying.

    Ive said it before...I'm sure I will again....you guys are a crack up!

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Wait, first you said every post I say Conservative and Republican, now you're saying every post I say Liberals and Conservative...stop lying so much, dude...clearly you cant remember what you're saying.

    I'm done having this conversation with you.... you like being a drama wh*re apparently. Really, if I were you, I'd sped less time on the internet and more time fostering my relationship with Christ...clearly you need to. Now, have a wonderful day!
    Yep...theres no doubt...Im not your perfect turn the other cheek 'Christian' and no doubt I have things to work on. Why...I can be just as big an asshole as you.

    How quick are you to defend 'this guy'...yes...even in this thread...

    "Q: Define marriage. A: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman... Q: Would you support a constitutional amendment with that definition? A: No I would not. Because historically we have defined marriage in our constitution, it's been a matter of state law."

    "I personally believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. But I also agree with most Americans, including Vice President Cheney and over 2,000 religious leaders of all different beliefs, that decisions about marriage should be left to the states as they always have been." And isnt that what those states are doing? Citizens of the state reinforcing EXISTING law prohibiting gay marriage?

    So...ya just HATES that POS bigot...right?
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Just me, way over here on the left by myself, but what Dan Savage did in his speech was not "bullying" under any reasonable definition. He was one guy, the invited speaker in front of a group of high school journalists, a couple thousand from what I have read - which means that only a small percentage of the audience walked out. Kind of obvious when one listens to the clip, naturally the part found on various rightie blogs, that much of the audience appreciated his words. It has been noted that Savage had a lot more to say than what is being focused on here.

    I liked his question: Why do xians use some parts of the Bible as justification for their actions but not every part? The answer heard most often: Well, Jesus changed all that"

    Savage has apologised for using the words pansy assed in describing the student's actions


    My point being - how does one person "bully" a hundred people? Why are so many attacking the man for pointing out the hypocrisy of far too many who call themselves Christian? Why do some call themselves believers of an 'inerrant' Bible, that every word is the absolute truth, that each paragraph has something of value in this modern world? and then live their lives while ignoring many of the strictures, prescriptions and yes, commandments that are found in that holy text. So Dan Savage was and is correct in saying some folks are hypocrites when they attack gays and ignore other commandments.

    Hey, I've said if I'd been there I'd have heckled the hell out of the guy. But these were school kids. This was a supposed talk about bullying. I guess the "speaker" didn't get the memo he wasn't there "to bully" but speak against bullying.


    So you're telling me this "speaker" knew these kids were Christian, yes? But IYO it's okay to bully Christian kids because they're "hypocrites when they attack gays and ignore other commandments. Funny but I don't think the article mentioned these school kids were pro or anti gay. Must have missed it, but since you read it can you post that snippet?

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Fixed that for you.

    Couple of things:

    If you are going to learn to be a journalist you must learn to walk among controversy and unpleasant things while not being a part of it. You might refer to it as having a thick skin. I would refer to it as learning to be objective. No, it isn't easy. Clearly you have not been able to master that skill. One of the cardinal sins of journalism for a journalist is to become the story rather that to report the story. The students in question didn't report the controversy they became a major part of it. That's not at all good.

    These are big lessons for those students to learn. It was a huge teaching moment and a good one. Most teaching moments are uncomfortable, wouldn't you agree. For the students who learned as a result of Savage presentation and the childish actions of the speaker and some of the student it was a valuable day. For students who are unable to remain objective, for students who don't have the ability to see the bigger picture, for students devoid of deductive reasoning skills, it may have been a big day as well. Hopefully, those students will give up their silly notions of becoming journalists.


    I love it when folks mount their high horses when it come to the Catholic priests abusing children. But when it's their man abusing children, hell they're for hanging the kids out to dry. It's good to know where you stand. Thanks.

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