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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Looked like bullying to me. Did I agree with a lot of what he said? Yes. But, like assholes...everyone has an opinion, and just about all of them stink.

    I'm no fan of modern christianity.


    But I'm certainly not about to start bullying a bunch of kids about it.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Looked like bullying to me. Did I agree with a lot of what he said? Yes. But, like assholes...everyone has an opinion, and just about all of them stink.

    I'm no fan of modern christianity.

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    But I'm certainly not about to start bullying a bunch of kids about it.

    ou do not have to be a christian to acknowledge the speaker was wrong in his confrontational presentation, his name calling, his beligerence and insulting speech....Heres the deal...everyone that has participated in this thread...KNOWS he was wrong...many of course would never admit that...they have this thing about ever being wrong.....oh well life is hard for all of us then we all die now who can deny that statement

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Just me, way over here on the left by myself, but what Dan Savage did in his speech was not "bullying" under any reasonable definition. He was one guy, the invited speaker in front of a group of high school journalists, a couple thousand from what I have read - which means that only a small percentage of the audience walked out. Kind of obvious when one listens to the clip, naturally the part found on various rightie blogs, that much of the audience appreciated his words. It has been noted that Savage had a lot more to say than what is being focused on here.

    I liked his question: Why do xians use some parts of the Bible as justification for their actions but not every part? The answer heard most often: Well, Jesus changed all that"

    Savage has apologised for using the words pansy assed in describing the student's actions
    I didn't call anyone's religion bull****. I did say that there is bull****—"untrue words or ideas"—in the Bible. That is being spun as an attack on Christianity. Which is bullshhh… which is untrue. I was not attacking the faith in which I was raised. I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against—and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying "motivated by faith")—because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong. Yet the same people who make that claim choose to ignore what the Bible has to say about a great deal else. I did not attack Christianity. I attacked hypocrisy. My remarks can only be read as an attack on all Christians if you believe that all Christians are hypocrites. Which I don't believe.

    ... maybe I shouldn't have used the word bull**** in this instance. But while it may have been a regrettable word choice, my larger point stands: If believers can ignore what the Bible says about slavery, they can ignore what the Bible says about homosexuality. (The Bible also says some beautiful things that are widely ignored: "Sell what you possess and give to the poor... and come, follow me.” You better get right on that, Joel.)
    My point being - how does one person "bully" a hundred people? Why are so many attacking the man for pointing out the hypocrisy of far too many who call themselves Christian? Why do some call themselves believers of an 'inerrant' Bible, that every word is the absolute truth, that each paragraph has something of value in this modern world? and then live their lives while ignoring many of the strictures, prescriptions and yes, commandments that are found in that holy text. So Dan Savage was and is correct in saying some folks are hypocrites when they attack gays and ignore other commandments.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im not exactly the turn the other cheek, bow, and avoid conflict type. Sorry. Comical that you are A-OK with a snarky asshole ridiculing a bunch of high school students and using derogatory effeminate verbal harassment during a discussion AGAINST bullying, and you yourself can wade in with a similar attitude, but expect others to not respond in kind.

    Oh yes...you have made yourself 'clear' alright...
    I never said if Dan was wrong or right, I said he attacked the hypocrisy, that he didn't bully anyone. That doesn't mean his approach was right. My post was largely about not filtering hate thought Jesus...one line was about Dan. And really, I dont care what YOU think of ME. You're merely a poster on a thread and I have no intention of ever knowing you...my opinion is just that, an opinion. I wonder though, do you experience equal outrage when gay kids are bullied and called disgusting names (in the name of God)? Or is this one sided?


    You seem less psychotic this morning....did you pray?
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    I never said if Dan was wrong or right, I said he attacked the hypocrisy, that he didn't bully anyone. That doesn't mean his approach was right. My post was largely about not filtering hate thought Jesus...one line was about Dan. And really, I dont care what YOU think of ME. You're merely a poster on a thread and I have no intention of ever knowing you...my opinion is just that, an opinion. I wonder though, do you experience equal outrage when gay kids are bullied and called disgusting names (in the name of God)? Or is this one sided?


    You seem less psychotic this morning....did you pray?


    To make it short we think your wrong ...so what now...pull out the guns and duel to the death lol...

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    I never said if Dan was wrong or right, I said he attacked the hypocrisy, that he didn't bully anyone. That doesn't mean his approach was right. My post was largely about not filtering hate thought Jesus...one line was about Dan. And really, I dont care what YOU think of ME. You're merely a poster on a thread and I have no intention of ever knowing you...my opinion is just that, an opinion. I wonder though, do you experience equal outrage when gay kids are bullied and called disgusting names (in the name of God)? Or is this one sided?


    You seem less psychotic this morning....did you pray?
    You can couch yours (and his) comments however you like. The fact is he is a repugnant asshole that used a gathering of high school students and a seminar AGAINST bullying to launch an idiotic attack against...oh yeah...KIDS...kids he knows absolutely nothing about, and when they didnt sit there and take it like good subservient little children he called them pansies (another classic ploy...and people wonder why OTHERS are quick to attack some folks manhood. Ah...but when it is someone like him its OK). And you and others support it. Cut from the same clothe. How pathetic is that?
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You can couch yours (and his comments however you like. The fact is he is a repugnant asshole that used a gathering of high school students and a seminar AGAINST bullying to launch an idiotic attack against...oh yeah...KIDS...kids he knows absolutely nothing about, and when they didnt sit there and take it like good subservient little children he called them pansies (another classic ploy...and people wonder why OTHERS are quick to attack some folks manhood. Ah...but when it is someone like him its OK). And you and others support it. Cut from the same clothe. How pathetic is that?
    That is precisely what he did...and even HE has acknowledged he was wrong...thats the hilarious part of all the homosexuals and liberals defending this guy...when he himself apologized for his abhorrent behavior....its classic...we are never wrong syndrome and we will badger you until you acknowledge it...well good luck with that with a bigotted homophobe like me.. it will be fun

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    "As many as 100 high school students walked out of a national journalism conference after an anti-bullying speaker began cursing, attacked the Bible and reportedly called those who refused to listen to his rant “pansy assed.”


    These were kids.


    As an adult, acting like a child, I'd have punched his lights out for offending me and taken my chances against the "pansy assed" instructor calling the law. Because we all know the only way to stop a bully is to kick the arse so hard they walk around for a week with it sitting on their shoulders.
    Fixed that for you.

    Couple of things:

    If you are going to learn to be a journalist you must learn to walk among controversy and unpleasant things while not being a part of it. You might refer to it as having a thick skin. I would refer to it as learning to be objective. No, it isn't easy. Clearly you have not been able to master that skill. One of the cardinal sins of journalism for a journalist is to become the story rather that to report the story. The students in question didn't report the controversy they became a major part of it. That's not at all good.

    These are big lessons for those students to learn. It was a huge teaching moment and a good one. Most teaching moments are uncomfortable, wouldn't you agree. For the students who learned as a result of Savage presentation and the childish actions of the speaker and some of the student it was a valuable day. For students who are unable to remain objective, for students who don't have the ability to see the bigger picture, for students devoid of deductive reasoning skills, it may have been a big day as well. Hopefully, those students will give up their silly notions of becoming journalists.










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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You can couch yours (and his comments however you like. The fact is he is a repugnant asshole that used a gathering of high school students and a seminar AGAINST bullying to launch an idiotic attack against...oh yeah...KIDS...kids he knows absolutely nothing about, and when they didnt sit there and take it like good subservient little children he called them pansies (another classic ploy...and people wonder why OTHERS are quick to attack some folks manhood. Ah...but when it is someone like him its OK). And you and others support it. Cut from the same clothe. How pathetic is that?
    Oooh somebody is getting a bit upset for being called over bigotry.

    Dan Savage did apologise for using one phrase "pansy-assed". He did not apologise for noting the hypocrisy of xians and calling it "bull****". He did not "launch an idiotic attack against ... KIDS". To believe that he did is a fine example of just what his speech was about. Other video clips show that his speech was well received by the majority of students attending.

    It has been noted previously that the walkout looked "pre-planned". Others have denied this was possible because nobody knew what his speech would say prior to its beginning but as Savage is a well-known and outspoken gay rights advocate, the walkout could have been planned without regard to his actual words.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You can couch yours (and his) comments however you like. The fact is he is a repugnant asshole that used a gathering of high school students and a seminar AGAINST bullying to launch an idiotic attack against...oh yeah...KIDS...kids he knows absolutely nothing about, and when they didnt sit there and take it like good subservient little children he called them pansies (another classic ploy...and people wonder why OTHERS are quick to attack some folks manhood. Ah...but when it is someone like him its OK). And you and others support it. Cut from the same clothe. How pathetic is that?
    I think it was a tremendous learning opportunity. Tremendous. Kudos to the people who had the balls to let it play out. Hopefully, students and teachers and families will be talking about all facets of the event for weeks and weeks. That's real learning! Get them fired up, encourage them to support their positions with something other than emotions. A good teacher and parent will listen to their kids and then ask, "Why?"
    "Why do you say that?"
    "Where is your proof?"
    "How would you have have handled it?" "Why"
    "Would your way have been more effective?"
    "How do you define 'more effective' in this instance?"
    "How would you measure desired outcomes?"
    "Are your personal feelings important to the story?" "Why?" "Why not?"
    "List all the issues you see as a result of the event and reaction to it?"
    "List all the opportunities that resulted from the event and the reactions to it?"
    "What are the real stories here?"

    This list could go on for days. What a rich lesson! What golden moment!










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