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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is exactly what I see the people in the video walking out as. I see no significant distinction between walking out of a speech against racism and walking out of a speech against homophobic attitudes. It's the same thing with different targets.
    HE wasn't talking about "bullying" at that point. He was bashing religion and the religious. Those that disagreed got up and left....as you should do if you are being bullied. They didn't attack him, they didn't throw tomatoes....they got up and left....and he called them pansies as a result. Name calling...tsk..tsk...
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Journalist students listening to criticism of the Bible should not cause them to leave the room, nor is it "bullying".
    He bashed their beleifs and called them pansies. That is bullying. And they were high school students, were they not?
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Christian people hating gays because 'it's in the Bible' - or someone saying 'knock it off - stop using the Bible as a battering ram against people' - which one's more 'wrong' -

    If it's ok for them to criticize and judge *with* the use of the Bible then what he did was also perfectly acceptable.

    I didn't say it was ok for anyone to do it, but are you trying to use the "well, they started it" defense?

    I've been to church quite a lot in my life - if you think what he did was Bullying then you must also realize that a lot of what's being taught in Sundayschool and preached about from the pulpit is also a form of bullying.
    So have I...Catholic Church....never once has homosexuality ever been brought up in a homily that I can remember, for, against or indifferent.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He bashed their beleifs and called them pansies. That is bullying. And they were high school students, were they not?
    That is not bullying. That's just being an asshole about it. Yes - that is being mean or rude. But NOT bullying.

    We'll never get anywhere at all with the real issues of bullying if every single time Johnny calls Susie stupid for believing in Unicorns she gets him supended for 'bullying'

    What has happened to my son at school - THAT was bullying. . .the occasional rant of one individual or name calling bout is NOT the same thing.

    Please - put things into perspective - please try not to wrap every little thing: every little playground name, every little moment of an attitude problem, up with this much more serious and far bigger subject of true bullying. There is a huge difference and I feel that lately schools have lost their ability to even differentiate between the two.

    Kids fights *sometimes* - sometimes kids do pick on eachother. *Sometimes* is normal: all the time and constantly with no end and no recourse = that is the problem.

    They didn't like *what* he said or *how* he said it so they got up and left - good. . . that's their right and their ability.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That is not bullying. That's just being an asshole about it. Yes - that is being mean or rude. But NOT bullying.
    Yes, it is bullying.

    We'll never get anywhere at all with the real issues of bullying if every single time Johnny calls Susie stupid for believing in Unicorns she gets him supended for 'bullying'
    But if he calls her a dyke, he should?

    What has happened to my son at school - THAT was bullying. . .the occasional rant of one individual or name calling bout is NOT the same thing.

    Please - put things into perspective - please try not to wrap every little thing: every little playground name, every little moment of an attitude problem, up with this much more serious and far bigger subject of true bullying. There is a huge difference and I feel that lately schools have lost their ability to even differentiate between the two.

    Kids fights *sometimes* - sometimes kids do pick on eachother. *Sometimes* is normal: all the time and constantly with no end and no recourse = that is the problem.

    They didn't like *what* he said or *how* he said it so they got up and left - good. . . that's their right and their ability.
    When you disrespect another person using derogatory language...or violence....you are bullying.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - looking at this reasonably, here - jokes aside.

    There were two issues here.

    One - using foul language in a public-speaking environment of any nature.

    Two - criticizing a religion and citing it for creating the problem they're there to discuss and go against.

    Using one to further two - it came across off-the-mark. But is that bullying? No - I don't consider something to be bullying if it doesn't involve some sort of perpetual, constant or physical confrontation.

    This - was a rant . . . he made a point that could have been made more politely, at least - I honestly think no one would have walked out if he just chose a different tactic to bring up the topic.
    I agree but for your definition of bullying. I think as little as one incident, of sufficient emotional impact, can leave a person feeling bullied. His rant, by definition, was ongoing, meaning he wasn't letting up and if he were on an anti-gay rant rather than anti-Bible, it would feel like bullying to gay kids.

    And Bingo! As far as the bolded. That is exactly what I think. There is a way to make an argument that allows the other party to have their dignity, while making points that can open a mind to change. Harsh, in-your-face tactics like Savage's, only serve to slam a person's mind shut.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not sure how it is in school nowadays, but in my day.. Christians were bullied pretty hard... they were squares, virgins, good-two-shoes... and yeah, we bullied them when we were kids... they weren't cool.
    I can't recall any gays being bullied, but that most likely because we never really knew who was gay and who wasn't... being openly gay wasn't something that happened in our schools back then.

    I'd imagine that some of the christian kids.. the goody two shoes.. get bullied to this very day.
    I think they are less likely to commit suicide though, as being a christian means you are never alone in the world, not as long as you have Jesus, as it goes.
    I honestly cannot remember one instance of someone being bullied because they are Christian when I went to school. Being a virgin yes, a "goody two shoes" yes but not because they were Christian. Im not saying it never happened I just never saw it happen. However I saw gay people get bullied many times while in high school especially on the day of silence. So in my experience gay people do tend to get bullied more often then Christians and many times they dont have the support group to lean on.

    BTW im not trying to say its ok to bully Christians for being Christian. All bullying is wrong for whatever reason. The only point I was trying to make is that gay people do tend to get bullied more often then other groups.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You forgot to connect him to Mooslims....
    Isn't that special... Insults in place of intelligent dialog.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Seperation of church and state...
    So you can't utter anything pro-religion in public schools, but you can trash them anytime you want... Sounds fair, and very tolerant.

    this guys wasnt state sponsored...
    Sorry, but public schools are government funded entities, therefore if you are invited to speak, you are state approved.

    and the state needs to fire at radical christians with rubber bullets...
    More of that tollerance I've heard so much about.

    thatd be awesome.
    I'm sure you would just love it.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    I honestly cannot remember one instance of someone being bullied because they are Christian when I went to school. Being a virgin yes, a "goody two shoes" yes but not because they were Christian. Im not saying it never happened I just never saw it happen. However I saw gay people get bullied many times while in high school especially on the day of silence. So in my experience gay people do tend to get bullied more often then Christians and many times they dont have the support group to lean on.

    BTW im not trying to say its ok to bully Christians for being Christian. All bullying is wrong for whatever reason. The only point I was trying to make is that gay people do tend to get bullied more often then other groups.
    Yes - if people are picked on b/c of their religion people wil lstand up for 'their right to have their religious beliefs'

    Gays get no such constitutional-rights defense in which most people who don't even approve of their lifestyle will still defend their right to live it.

    But I got picked on all the time when I was a kid - we were weirdos who wore dresses and didn't drive cars when I was in school.
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