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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Really? You'd be a "pansy" by the conventional non-floral definition?

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    (1) Again, the equating of criticism of the Bible....with.....an attack upon a persons sexual orientation (something that god did).

    (2) Sure, if I was walking out if the speaker was criticizing a book, I would be a pansy. That is fair.
    (1) I think you err in this comparison. Not everyone believes in the concept of sexual orientation, and not everyone believes the Bible is just a book. To be fair I'll say that gay kids find their gayness to be important to them, but you must also acknowledge that those religious kids find their religion to be rather important to them as well.

    (2) I believe you have tunnel vision, seeing this issue from a rather secula/liberal pov. If that it the way you wish to measure things, I don't think that's what makes a good discussion.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Really? You'd be a "pansy" by the conventional non-floral definition?
    A wimp...because someone criticized parts of a book......and I am a journalist student? Yep, I'm a wimp.....and shouldn't be a journalist.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    A wimp...because someone criticized parts of a book......and I am a journalist student? Yep, I'm a wimp.....and shouldn't be a journalist.
    Maybe everyone shouldn't call others names. It's possible for a Traditional Christian and a Secular Atheist to have a respectful conversation.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You should reread what you just posted.

    Do you think you're being fair?
    yes... by extension of what i said the radical Christians are not logical and attempting to emotionally harm other people...

    as in... Christians that believe they carry out divine authority by using their personal favorite excerpts of holy texts to further their own egos without actually gaining any knowledge...

    and the gays are merely trying to exist...

    sooo... put the Christians in jail for all i care... they can parametrize some means to spread a punishment to them for instigating suicide in others through their invalid religious beliefs...

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    (1) I think you err in this comparison. Not everyone believes in the concept of sexual orientation, and not everyone believes the Bible is just a book. To be fair I'll say that gay kids find their gayness to be important to them, but you must also acknowledge that those religious kids find their religion to be rather important to them as well.
    Except....a religious book is NOT a personal characteristic.......whereas....a sexual orientation IS. They are not the same thing, you are equating them, it is a false comparison.

    (2) I believe you have tunnel vision, seeing this issue from a rather secula/liberal pov. If that it the way you wish to measure things, I don't think that's what makes a good discussion.
    Again, you are equating something you are born with to something you read. It is a false equivalence. It makes for a poor conversation since they are not in the same league.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Maybe everyone shouldn't call others names. It's possible for a Traditional Christian and a Secular Atheist to have a respectful conversation.
    Maybe they got called a "name" after they wimped out, it is hard to be offended when you have walked away.....which is different from being cornered and bullied, beat up, and whatnot.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    yes... by extension of what i said the radical Christians are not logical and attempting to emotionally harm other people...

    as in... Christians that believe they carry out divine authority by using their personal favorite excerpts of holy texts to further their own egos without actually gaining any knowledge...

    and the gays are merely trying to exist...

    sooo... put the Christians in jail for all i care... they can parametrize some means to spread a punishment to them for instigating suicide in others through their invalid religious beliefs...

    Seriously? That's no way to have a fair discussion, considering you want to jail Christians who think homosexuality is a sin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Except....a religious book is NOT a personal characteristic.......whereas....a sexual orientation IS. They are not the same thing, you are equating them, it is a false comparison.

    Again, you are equating something you are born with to something you read. It is a false equivalence. It makes for a poor conversation since they are not in the same league.
    I'm not interested in getting into a new debate with you that would derail this thread. Sexual orientation may or may not exist. The same for religion. Whatever the case, whether real or perceived, it is important to the people involved. It is unfair to say homosexual students have the right to be offended, while religious students cannot. I think that's wrong.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Maybe they got called a "name" after they wimped out, it is hard to be offended when you have walked away.....which is different from being cornered and bullied, beat up, and whatnot.
    Bullying and walking out are different things.

    I am sure there are Christian victims of bullying as well.

    In a professional discussion name-calling shouldn't happen. Dan Savage could very well have gotten his message across without being nasty.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Really?



    Savage isn't addressing a few ugly kids calling a gay kid a faggot. He's addressing kids being tormented and brutalized to the point where they want to commit suicide. THAT IS NOT COVERED BY "FREE SPEECH".



    This from the guy making bull**** comparisons, backtracking and then making the same comparison again less than 3 posts later is rich.



    No. It would not. He's not getting in these kids faces, following them home, harassing them through facebook, beating the living **** out of them, etc. He called out an editorialized group of nutbags to the acclaim of people in crowd.

    You're so dishonest in your comparison it's almost laughable that you have the balls to deny you're comparing the two.

    where did you get the idea that savage is only addressing kids who are being tormented to the point of suicide?... that's nowhere in the video at all.
    that's a metric you concocted , no one else.
    from what it appears, you don't believe bullying exists unless it ends in suicide... is this correct?....

    again, i'd appreciate it if you stopped lying about me.... when you asked if i was making the comparison you set forth, you were told my answer.
    It matters not to me if you accept my answer .. it is my answer and you have no right to change my answer to fit your argument.
    debate honestly or refrain from debating.. it's simple.


    I am absolutely not a fan of gay bashing or bullying, so i'm not sure why you feel you need to flex your lil' muscles at me like you are doing, it's foolish... I'm also not a fan of the religious bigotry you, and a few others, repeatedly show here.
    as far as i'm concerned, there ain't a lick of difference between you folks and homophobes, or racists, or sexists....it's simple hateful bigotry of a another flavor.... no thanks.

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