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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Have you all forgotten American history?

    The number one reason people came to America and settled in the first place, was to escape religious persecution. What took place in that High School was state sponsored religious hate speech. It was no more acceptable than it would have been for someone to give a speech attacking homosexuals and their lifestyle.

    What's really sad about this, is 90% of those on the left who don't take issue with this, would have raised hell if that guy would have attacked Islam instead of Christianity.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    For one thing, YourStar deserves All of the credit For changing her viewpoint after reconsidering certain thoughts just as some of us do when someone makes a fair point. She has much in personal stake, more so than the ones who criticized her (us included).

    I'm impressed that so many liberals are not even aware of their own intellectual history. The Bible had long influenced conservative and liberal impulses as well as movements. It happened with slavery and it is happening with regard to homosexuality. The Bible to many of the important liberals in history was NOT a proslavery book, but rather an indictment upon slavery itself. It also became a staple of life for the African American community, both free and enslaved.
    Abolitionists used the Bible to justify their positions, just as the Southerners used it to justify theirs. The interpretations and rejections of portions of the Bible are acknowledged MORE so by liberals, we see how it can be used for good and evil.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Given the prominence of ministers in the abolition movement and then the civil rights movement, you would have thought that would have been something that leapt out...

    But I'll admit, I've always enjoyed the rather delicious irony. Slavers introduced the Bible to their slaves to try to teach them obedience, and apparently forgot that they would also learn all about that "Moses" guy.
    Well as I said before you had a couple I different reactions to this. On one hand, many slaves were prevented from receiving "the Word" altogether, from this realization of the many undermining points of slavery and racism commonly accepted by society. Other slaves were taught the full scripture, not realizing how undermining it was. Others were taught Christianity, but whereas the slave owning families were taught a normal service, the minister would visit the slaves later and preach the obedience of the master. This also did not stop slaves from holding their own services in private, hidden from view.

    Then as you and I have said, the abolitionist movement was heavily influenced by Christian beliefs-holding that it was the Bible that held truth about equality and the evil of slavery, unlike the US constitution (though this later changed with Douglass who thought both undermined slavery).

    Again, the speaker repeated that the Bible "got slavery wrong." He simply could not open his eyes as to how incorrect he was. People didn't simply ignore parts of the text, they PROMOTED its words as justice and salvation.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Have you all forgotten American history?

    The number one reason people came to America and settled in the first place, was to escape religious persecution. What took place in that High School was state sponsored religious hate speech. It was no more acceptable than it would have been for someone to give a speech attacking homosexuals and their lifestyle.

    What's really sad about this, is 90% of those on the left who don't take issue with this, would have raised hell if that guy would have attacked Islam instead of Christianity.
    Isn't that IRONIC!?!.....religious groups came to the US to escape persecution.....but then their followers end up using religion as a justification to persecute another group.

    But then again, it isn't the first...or the last....time.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well as I said before you had a couple I different reactions to this. On one hand, many slaves were prevented from receiving "the Word" altogether, from this realization of the many undermining points of slavery and racism commonly accepted by society. Other slaves were taught the full scripture, not realizing how undermining it was. Others were taught Christianity, but whereas the slave owning families were taught a normal service, the minister would visit the slaves later and preach the obedience of the master. This also did not stop slaves from holding their own services in private, hidden from view.

    Then as you and I have said, the abolitionist movement was heavily influenced by Christian beliefs-holding that it was the Bible that held truth about equality and the evil of slavery, unlike the US constitution (though this later changed with Douglass who thought both undermined slavery).

    Again, the speaker repeated that the Bible "got slavery wrong." He simply could not open his eyes as to how incorrect he was. People didn't simply ignore parts of the text, they PROMOTED its words as justice and salvation.
    And again, you are only telling half the story.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so, folks who think they should have the right to harrass, offend, and attack gay students because the Bible has homophobic passages, got upset that someone didn't agree with their enabling of bigotry?
    We know, dude -- for you, whoever's against religion is 100% in the right, and whoever's for any kind of religious accommodation or even tolerance is 100% wrong. That's the extent of your calculus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Abolitionists used the Bible to justify their positions, just as the Southerners used it to justify theirs. The interpretations and rejections of portions of the Bible are acknowledged MORE so by liberals, we see how it can be used for good and evil.
    The speaker you and a couple others so defend went much further than saying here was an opportunity to continue that tradition of social justice and spiritual egalitarianism, he said it had no such tradition to begin with. Instead We are expected to merely ignore words, just as others had done, because the Book had gotten everything else "wrong." He said it was a "proslavery" book with no nuance, no acknowledgement of the past liberal and Christian movements which drove the abolitionist movement forward.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    We know, dude -- for you, whoever's against religion is 100% in the right, and whoever's for any kind of religious accommodation or even tolerance is 100% wrong. That's the extent of your calculus.
    why are you being dishonest about my beliefs?

    do you think you can make such a dishonest comment and not get challenged on it?

    got any evidence, whatsoever, for you silly claim?

    I thought not.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Isn't that IRONIC!?!.....religious groups came to the US to escape persecution.....but then their followers end up using religion as a justification to persecute another group.

    But then again, it isn't the first...or the last....time.
    power corrupts. as does freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    And again, you are only telling half the story.
    What other half? The half that demonstrated that the text was used to justify both slavery and ones inferior position in life? I don't deny that in the least.
    I'm demonstrating that the speaker and his defenders here seem to not call him out on his selective and exclusionary historical claptrap.
    Last edited by Fiddytree; 04-29-12 at 10:01 PM.
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