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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    This should not be permitted, any more than the opposition would tolerate having a evangelical Revivial preacher in the school gym preaching to the students that all atheists are going to hell.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    A claim of hypocrisy comes from conflicting positions held by a person. The assumption is that a christian holds the views of acceptance and love of people....and that homosexuals should be condemned. To get to a position that a christian DOES hold to the acceptance and love view, is a position that the Bible does teach that.
    There is no hypocrisy, or conflicting view there. Homosexuality is considered an abomination in the Bible.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Thunder, I have generally treated you with a measure of respect, despite your frequently distateful behavior.


    That just came to an end. What few tiny, tattered shreds of respect I had for you just evaporated thanks to your behavior in this thread.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    On Monday, April 23, an 18-year-old Ogden resident on a community panel spoke about the dangers of bullying. Alex Smith told the packed room about the bullying his boyfriend, Jack, experienced at school.
    What no one in the room yet knew, including Alex, was that Jack had already taken his own life.
    The death of Jack Reese is the latest known suicide of a gay teen in Northern Utah.
    One official told Ogden OUTreach director Marian Edmonds, off the record: “It happens here about once a week, but officially, you know, it doesn’t happen here.”
    OUTreach is hosting a community panel and discussion, A Community Stands up – Northern Utah Addresses LGBT Bullying and Suicide on May 1, 6:30 p.m., at the Ogden Amphitheater, 343 E. 25th St., Ogden. The purpose of the event is for the community to stand in solidarity with queer youth, to speak out and express grief and outrage at yet another loss of life in Northern Utah, and to witness for the need for immediate change in schools, churches and society.
    Until all youth are loved and accepted in their homes, able to attend school without fear of bullying, and know that their lives are worth living, this community will continue to demand change, Edmonds said in a press release.
    Numerous community leaders, educators, parents and youth will speak out for acceptance and love for LGBT youth, including active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A candlelight vigil in memory of Jack Reese will be held at the conclusion of the event.
    The youth I work with all know either a victim of bullying, the loss of a friend to suicide, and most often, both. These youth are bright, creative and loving, yet too often face daily abuse from rejecting families, bullies at school and the loss of their church family. It is time for local schools to incorporate proven techniques for eliminating bullying and homophobia, for churches to preach love and acceptance, and for parents and families to love and accept their children. Each loss of life is a loss for all of us, and it must stop now,” Edmonds said.
    Edmonds underscored the need for accurate education and guidance for ethnically and religiously diverse families and cited the work of the Family Acceptance Project at San Francisco State University – a research-based education, support and policy initiative that helps ethnically and religiously diverse families – including Latter-day Saint families – support their LGBT children in families, schools and faith communities to prevent suicide, substance abuse, HIV, homelessness, school victimization and family disruption. FAP uses a culturally grounded approach that strengthens families and promotes their LGBT children’s well-being.
    FAP’s family education materials are available online in three languages at familyproject.sfsu.edu/publications.
    ...and?


    I'll say it again, I don't see any evidence that the underlying causes of bullying of gays are fundamentally different than the underlying causes of other forms of bullying.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    ...and?


    I'll say it again, I don't see any evidence that the underlying causes of bullying of gays are fundamentally different than the underlying causes of other forms of bullying.
    The point is the rationale used by bullies for the continuation of the bullying, ie the Biblical justification.....the topic at hand. Now don't go off and say there are many other justifications used....Savage is not denying that, the focus of his and the topic at hand is the Biblical justification.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The point is the rationale used by bullies for the continuation of the bullying, ie the Biblical justification.....the topic at hand. Now don't go off and say there are many other justifications used....Savage is not denying that, the focus of his and the topic at hand is the Biblical justification.
    The Bible doesn't encourage the bullying of homosexuals. It teaches the immorality of it. Does the Bible encourage the bullying of adulterers? Of course not. It doesn't encourage or condone the bullying of anyone. It teaches morality. Other than the Westboro Baptist Church which has about 70 members who are these Christians that are using the Bible to bully gays?

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    For one thing, YourStar deserves All of the credit For changing her viewpoint after reconsidering certain thoughts just as some of us do when someone makes a fair point. She has much in personal stake, more so than the ones who criticized her (us included).

    I'm impressed that so many liberals are not even aware of their own intellectual history. The Bible had long influenced conservative and liberal impulses as well as movements. It happened with slavery and it is happening with regard to homosexuality. The Bible to many of the important liberals in history was NOT a proslavery book, but rather an indictment upon slavery itself. It also became a staple of life for the African American community, both free and enslaved.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm impressed that so many liberals are not even aware of their own intellectual history. The Bible had long influenced conservative and liberal impulses as well as movements. It happened with slavery and it is happening with regard to homosexuality. The Bible to many of the important liberals in history was NOT a proslavery book, but rather an indictment upon slavery itself. It also became a staple of life for the African American community, both free and enslaved.
    Given the prominence of ministers in the abolition movement and then the civil rights movement, you would have thought that would have been something that leapt out...

    But I'll admit, I've always enjoyed the rather delicious irony. Slavers introduced the Bible to their slaves to try to teach them obedience, and apparently forgot that they would also learn all about that "Moses" guy.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    I'm fashionably late as always.

    I would have walked out too, and I'm not a christian. It was advertised as a social-media, anti-bullying speech, not a bible-bashing tirade. I would have been out of there within seconds of the first religious insult hurled. Just because I don't believe the tenants of a particular religion does not mean I don't believe in respecting those who do believe.

    The guy is an asshole who set the anti-bullying movement back a decade.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    The Bible doesn't encourage the bullying of homosexuals. It teaches the immorality of it. Does the Bible encourage the bullying of adulterers? Of course not. It doesn't encourage or condone the bullying of anyone. It teaches morality. Other than the Westboro Baptist Church which has about 70 members who are these Christians that are using the Bible to bully gays?
    The Bible does say that the adulterer should be stoned, and Jesus is conflicted when he says to follow the old testament. Homosexuality is condemned, we are told those who practice it will go to hell, you don't associate with those condemned...hence families renounce their members who do come out, kick them out. Peers do use Leviticus as justification for their bullying. It is documented, to deny it is to deny reality.
    Last edited by Gimmesometruth; 04-29-12 at 09:41 PM.
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