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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Except.....that the recent cases of bullying that has lead to suicides...
    Except that really isn't the case.
    What lead to suicides were unstable minds.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I REALLY didn't even want to watch the video, because I knew I'd probably want to comment on it. Just been reading the thread since it's inception. OK. I watched the video. I have mixed feelings about it. Firstly, from what I saw, it seemed that the students leaving was a planned event. Too neat. And, at least from what I saw him saying, initially, I really didn't see anything incredibly offensive... and I am probably one of the most religious members on this board. However, my problem with what he was saying was that he was NOT discussing the root causes of hatred towards homosexuality. He was bashing the bible. If he wanted to discuss the root causes, he should have gone a different route. Probably should have discussed the REAL meanings of Leviticus and other passages, indicated how it's not the belief system, but what people take from it that matters, and how the root cause is really a dependency on religion to foster beliefs about sexuality rather than science and research. If he's talking about bullying, he need to present "tools' on how to confront it. You do this by proving people wrong, not by telling people their beliefs or "book" is BS. Overall, I saw the situation as a wash. Not as bad as some have presented, but not really appropriate for the conference.

    Oh, and with a presentation like his, he wouldn't last a minute at DP.
    I think that's a fair analysis. He presented his argument in a less than eloquent way that was bound upset some people. However, he did talk about what people take from Christianity. His entire point about it was that there are many passages that we don't pay attention to because we think they're ridiculous and the passages about homosexuality should be included. He said in a much more aggressive way, but he was right and people doing that is, in fact, a root cause of Christian-based anti-gay bigotry.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You go ahead and find me the money quote where he condemned ALL of the Bible, ALL of chritianity. I'll wait for you to back that claim.
    Didn't say Christianity. He went on a rant calling many things in the Bible "BS" and never presented ANY position that this was an exception nor presented any non-condemnation of the bible. His presentation condemned it.




    It is your opinion that saying "you are a hypocrite if you are a christian and condemn homosexuals" is an "attack" upon ALL of the Bible, all "christians", ALL of christianity. I get it.
    That is not what I said. Try not to make straw man arguments. Do try to address what I actually say.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ohhh man I hope I make it through the night tonight...Ive actually agreed with all your posts in this thread
    You've had a very skewed view of how I argue this issue. I'm about as reasonable on it as anyone can be.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Except that really isn't the case.
    What lead to suicides were unstable minds.
    OK. The apocalypse will be coming soon. I just agreed with you and "liked" your post.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Harry is right. It's not a Christian thing - it's an asshole thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The root cause isn't Christians, it's people who act like assholes, that happen to be Christian.
    Question: When a Christian does something good like give to charity or volunteer at a homeless shelter and they base their actions on a particular understanding of the Bible, do you think their beliefs influenced their actions or was it just a "good person thing"?

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's just plain ridiculous. I read what YS said last night. It was too aggressive and she was wrong. She admitted it and that is something that rarely happens here, hence is quite a feat. YOU are being unreasonable because you are making personal evaluations based on whether you agree with someone's position or not.
    This what I rejected, this is the cave, this is what I objected to:
    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You know what, your probably right, I've been in the wrong in this thread. I just get mad when people who are actively oppressing me for my sexuality get mad at something like this. Like they are equatable, and it clouded my judgement. What the guy said was wrong, I don't even like the guy, and it was okay for the kids to walk out, even though I wouldn't have done such a thing myself. If anyone is at fault here it is the school for not asking for a transcript of what he was going to say.
    To again cave to saying "People should be reasonable to those who hold to irrational views" is just utterly wrong, especially when those views foster the persecution we are discussing, the VERY THING that she has experienced.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    The bullying did not "cause" the suicides. It may have contributed to how the individual felt, but no one causes anyone to commit suicide. Suicides are far more complicated than that. Some folks get bullied horribly and don't kill themselves, others get bullied minimally and do. There are a lot of factors that go into this. Near where I live, people are being prosecuted for contributing to the suicide of a gay college student. People video taped him in a compromising position with another male and then let this become public. Prosecuting them for harassment? Absolutely... throw the book at them. Blaming them for the suicide? No. Their behavior was wrong and they contributed to the instability of the individual who died, but they did not cause it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    I've been reading Dan Savage since before anyone outside of Seattle knew who he was.

    My question is, didn't anyone read his stuff before inviting him to speak in front of high school students? It doesn't absolve him of his offensiveness, but at the same time, it's like sticking swords in a bull and expecting him not to get pissed off and charge you. He's famous for being offensive, for hating religion, and for being in-your-face about it. He had no business being there at all. Nothing he's ever written is appropriate for that kind of venue.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Question: When a Christian does something good like give to charity or volunteer at a homeless shelter and they base their actions on a particular understanding of the Bible, do you think their beliefs influenced their actions or was it just a "good person thing"?
    I'll take a stab at this. Their interpretation of Christianity, therefore, their individual beliefs influenced their behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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