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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I see, when giving a speech about the root causes of the bullying, you should avoid talking about the root causes.

    Brilliant!
    Yep. A lot of people who teach their children that homosexuality is a sin and bad and that gay people can't get married are teaching their children to think of others as less than them. If you teach a lot of kids something like that, then they'll go straight to bullying gay kids. A lot of Christians who think homosexuality is a sin don't want to admit that because then they would have to share some of the blame for anti-gay bullying and its consequences.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Religious people aren't the only ones who bully gays.
    More often than not, people hide behind religion to justify bullying gays, when the truth is closer to them being general douche bags.

    Going after the religion is dumb, when the individuals motivations are not really religious in nature.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, it wasn't. In fact it was to journalist HS students, those who write for HS papers, who have an influence on their audience.
    Right and barring their interest in journalism, they're all the same?
    They aren't and attacking some of them, who happen to be religious (in some form or another) is wise?
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    He didn't really differentiate.
    I heard it much differently than you then.

    Yes, but in this case, this is speech to a general audience of high school students.
    Rather than beat up one group of people, he should of been more generic in his criticism.
    Instead he went full retard on Christians.

    Just dumb.
    Not dumb. Most anti-gay bigotry in this country is rooted in Christian opinions on homosexuality. If this was a speech about attacking the root causes of bullying and specifically gay bullying, it would be dumb to leave out one of the main root causes. He could have been more classy about it, but then again, nobody would care about his presentation if it hadn't been about Christianity.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yep. A lot of people who teach their children that homosexuality is a sin and bad and that gay people can't get married are teaching their children to think of others as less than them. If you teach a lot of kids something like that, then they'll go straight to bullying gay kids. A lot of Christians who think homosexuality is a sin don't want to admit that because then they would have to share some of the blame for anti-gay bullying and its consequences.
    Excuse me? You can believe something is morally wrong and not BULLY the people who choose it. That's a ridiculous statement you made.


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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    What a total cave, you just lost a lot of respect.

    You have nothing to stand on when and if someone in the future puts you down because of their "christian" beliefs.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I heard it much differently than you then.


    Not dumb. Most anti-gay bigotry in this country is rooted in Christian opinions on homosexuality. If this was a speech about attacking the root causes of bullying and specifically gay bullying, it would be dumb to leave out one of the main root causes. He could have been more classy about it, but then again, nobody would care about his presentation if it hadn't been about Christianity.
    The root cause isn't Christians, it's people who act like assholes, that happen to be Christian.
    If they're bullying gays, they're likely bullying other, non gay people too.

    The religious belief really has nothing to do with, it's merely a poor justification.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You learn to hate, the hate comes from teaching. The primary source of hatred towards homosexuality in the US is the Bible.
    The problem with this, though is simple logic. Perhaps much of the hate towards homosexuality comes from religion, but that does NOT mean that much of the religious hate those who are homosexual. This is why attacking a group or a belief system is illogical. The belief system is not the issue. What SOME people take from that belief system IS the issue.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Excuse me? You can believe something is morally wrong and not BULLY the people who choose it. That's a ridiculous statement you made.
    It's actually a perfectly legitimate statement. If you teach kids that others are less than them, then a lot of those kids you teach will go straight to bullying those kids. You are right that you can teach kids to believe something to be morally wrong and not bully, but that reality coexists with my statement so I have no idea why you're presenting it as if it's a counterargument.

    Also, being gay is not a choice so I don't know why you're talking about "choosing" things. Add that to the list of arguments that hurt gay teens in today's society.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I see, when giving a speech about the root causes of the bullying, you should avoid talking about the root causes.

    Brilliant!
    With all due respect, talking about the root causes of bullying is one thing. Doing it by bullying, is another. There is a way to discuss it, without resorting to it.
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