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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    He didn't attack the beliefs of all Christians. He attacked the beliefs of some Christians and there's nothing wrong with that. You attack the beliefs that make bullies bully. I doubt you would have a problem with him attack white supremacist beliefs or beliefs that being small in stature is a sign weakness that should be exploited. This is the same thing except that some people think that irrational beliefs held by Christians should be immune.
    Its not what he said...it was the way he said it and the insults included...

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You're assuming that there is some monolithic "gay community." There is not.

    Gay Conservatives Demand Dan Savage Apologize for Anti-Christian Tirade - Dan Savage - Fox Nation

    First, there's a time and a place for a riff that turns into a meltdown rant, and a lecture to high school students attending a journalism conference wasn't that time or place. Of course, you can't always predict when you're going to crack up and lose your good sense and judgment, LOL.

    Second, there are gay conservatives who are also people of faith, and Savage isn't helping them one darned bit by Bible-bashing and all his crap about how the Bible gets the "easiest moral question that man has ever faced wrong" and got human sexuality all wrong too. He's exacerbating the conflict that many gay Christians experience, and I resent it.
    I didn't assume anything. I took the "gay community" quote from the tweet Josie posted. Take this up with the person who made the tweet.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its not what he said...it was the way he said it and the insults included...
    It is EXACTLY what he said, you just refuse to hear it.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    He didn't attack the beliefs of all Christians. He attacked the beliefs of some Christians and there's nothing wrong with that. You attack the beliefs that make bullies bully. I doubt you would have a problem with him attack white supremacist beliefs or beliefs that being small in stature is a sign weakness that should be exploited. This is the same thing except that some people think that irrational beliefs held by Christians should be immune.
    Yea attacking the beliefs of some Christians, especially when those beliefs are bigoted is fine.
    But he applied it broadly to all Christians, then he called those who left, pansies.

    Sorry but his speech was **** and didn't do anything to advance his cause.
    What's the point of speaking to people that already agree with you?
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, you keep missing it, the attack is upon the message first and foremost. Second, the attack on the person comes when they refuse to see the irrationality of holding to their view.

    Those kids are old enough to be challenged on their views since they are capable of acting out with those views.
    How many of those kids act out on their views?
    How do we even know what their views are?

    This anti bully speech was dumb in the first place.
    I'm guessing the vast majority of the people present, don't bully in the first place.
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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Great post, Gina. You and I have talked about this, before. No matter what you believe, attacking people and putting them on the defensive only makes them dig in more. Many of the attitudes that have changed in me have done so because people like you, and others, were willing to hear me out first.
    Well said...X...My wife bought me a sign...and its next to my puter on the wall....I JUST WISH MY MOUTH HAD A BACKSPACE KEY....When I am wrong...I have absolutely no qualms in apologizing...doesnt make you small or a coward or traitor...and for someone to try and demean anyone for doing what they believe is the right thing...will get my ass up everytime...
    People get caught up in conservations get emotional and sometimes say things they dont mean or carry on an argument out of frustration or whatever knowing they arent saying what they really believe...If there was prison time for that id be a convict...the difference is some have the fortitude to admit they were wrong...and to those I say hats off to you...

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Its not what he said...it was the way he said it and the insults included...
    I agree that the way he said it was not at all conducive to discussion. I've said many times to atheists on this board that when they say things like "imaginary friend" and such, they get negative reactions because of how, not what, they said. However, in this case, we're talking about bigotry that stems from inconsistent and in turn, irrational, beliefs - the belief that what the Bible says about homosexuality is correct, but that we can just ignore what it says about slavery and other things.

    If he had spoken in the same manner about Bible-based rationalizations for slavery or racism, I highly doubt people would have a problem with what he said, but for some reason, people think that Bible-based rationalizations of anti-gay bigotry ought not be criticized in the same manner. That's hypocrisy and I don't sympathize with it,

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    To review, Dan Savage was invited to the JEA/NSPA high school journalists' convention. Here is what the promo said:

    "Dan Savage was already a popular syndicated columnist when he created the “It Gets Better” video project. He’ll speak at 1 p.m. on Friday, April 13, about alternative media, social media and creating a movement against bullying."

    JEA/NSPA Seattle 2012


    The "B.S. in the Bible" rant doesn't appear to be relevant to the topic, and the offensive language wasn't appropriate for this audience. Savage went off his chain.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea attacking the beliefs of some Christians, especially when those beliefs are bigoted is fine.
    But he applied it broadly to all Christians, then he called those who left, pansies.

    Sorry but his speech was **** and didn't do anything to advance his cause.
    What's the point of speaking to people that already agree with you?
    He didn't seem to be applying it to all Christians. It looked like he was applying it to Christians who do what he mentioned in the video.

    I agree that calling people "pansies" wasn't the best idea, but again, if he were talking about other types of bigotry like racism and he called racists who walked out "pansies", I doubt people would have a problem with it. It's the sacred nature of Christianity that gets people frustrated about things like this.

    People make speeches to people who agree with them all the time. Those kinds of speeches can have many purposes.

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    re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Great post, Gina. You and I have talked about this, before. No matter what you believe, attacking people and putting them on the defensive only makes them dig in more. Many of the attitudes that have changed in me have done so because people like you, and others, were willing to hear me out first.
    Thanks X! That's good to know.

    I've had the same experience, in both directions. I either dug in over the ridicule, or adjusted my opinion and even if I didn't change, I certainly gained new insight and understanding after calm debate. Snarky rants, comments or ill manners are counter-productive, in my opinion. And not just in individual conversation but as we saw in the OP and accompanying videos, reaching a wider audience will probably have the exact opposite effect on a greater number of people. Savage did his cause harm in this instance.
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