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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Wow... All these days and all these posts later, and the left is still trying to justify their defense of hate speech.


    So what was the final decision? Was the "journalist speaker" a bully or was he given a pass for call the school kids "pansed ass"?

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Wow... All these days and all these posts later, and the left is still trying to justify their defense of hate speech.
    FIRST: the "left" probably doesn't see the words, speech, of Dan Savage as "hate speech" - so how can the "left" be seen as justifying it.

    SECOND: Please give a "conservative" explanation of how it views the words as "hate speech" that in any way compares to the words of those who attack gays and lesbians.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So what was the final decision? Was the "journalist speaker" a bully or was he given a pass for call the school kids "pansed ass"?
    The word used was "pansy" not "pansed"

    also, as posted earlier but here it is again
    [QUOTE]I would like to apologize for describing that walk out as a pansy-assed move. I wasn't calling the handful of students who left pansies (2800+ students, most of them Christian, stayed and listened), just the walk-out itself. But that's a distinction without a difference—kinda like when religious conservatives tells their gay friends that they "love the sinner, hate the sin." They're often shocked when their gay friends get upset because, hey, they were making a distinction between the person (lovable!) and the person's actions (not so much!). But gay people feel insulted by "love the sinner, hate the sin" because it is insulting. Likewise, my use of "pansy-assed" was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong. And I apologize for saying it.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The word used was "pansy" not "pansed"

    also, as posted earlier but here it is again
    [QUOTE]I would like to apologize for describing that walk out as a pansy-assed move. I wasn't calling the handful of students who left pansies (2800+ students, most of them Christian, stayed and listened), just the walk-out itself. But that's a distinction without a difference—kinda like when religious conservatives tells their gay friends that they "love the sinner, hate the sin." They're often shocked when their gay friends get upset because, hey, they were making a distinction between the person (lovable!) and the person's actions (not so much!). But gay people feel insulted by "love the sinner, hate the sin" because it is insulting. Likewise, my use of "pansy-assed" was insulting, it was name-calling, and it was wrong. And I apologize for saying it.
    [/QUOTE]


    Thanks for the pansy correction.


    You see, I'm one of those folks that has a really hard time with the "after the dust up apology". IMO, this guy is an example of the "Horse Thief Theory". He's not sorry he said what he said, he's sorry he got caught, so to speak, and it might have an adverse effect on his " future speaking engagements". JMO

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Savage's apology was just a bit more truthful than those "IF I offended anyone" so-called apologies we see so often. He admitted he was wrong unlike the righteous types with their "IF" qualification of their follow-up statements
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]


    Thanks for the pansy correction.


    You see, I'm one of those folks that has a really hard time with the "after the dust up apology". IMO, this guy is an example of the "Horse Thief Theory". He's not sorry he said what he said, he's sorry he got caught, so to speak, and it might have an adverse effect on his " future speaking engagements". JMO
    No, I think he is sorry for the word choice, but instead of listening to a discussion of how some Christians use the Bible to inflict violence upon young people, they chose the weak thing to do - act indignant and walk out. That is a sign of weakness.

    It's the same as a child pulling the "la la la...I can't hear you" thing.

    It's weak, impetuous, and childish and too many Americans of too many stripes behave this way now.

    Literally, what it's saying is this:

    "I'm a Christian, so I can call you awful names because I have a Bible in my hand."

    "Well, you offend me and you hurt people with your words."

    "How dare you insult me and my religion!"

    You want to criticize gays? Go ahead. It's your right. But you can't do that and then get all pissy when someone comes back at you. Should Savage have used the word pansy ass? No. But should he have called them out? Yes. He should've. If you can dish out criticism, but can't take it, you're weak and childish.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    No, I think he is sorry for the word choice, but instead of listening to a discussion of how some Christians use the Bible to inflict violence upon young people, they chose the weak thing to do - act indignant and walk out. That is a sign of weakness.

    It's the same as a child pulling the "la la la...I can't hear you" thing.

    It's weak, impetuous, and childish and too many Americans of too many stripes behave this way now.

    Literally, what it's saying is this:

    "I'm a Christian, so I can call you awful names because I have a Bible in my hand."

    "Well, you offend me and you hurt people with your words."

    "How dare you insult me and my religion!"

    You want to criticize gays? Go ahead. It's your right. But you can't do that and then get all pissy when someone comes back at you. Should Savage have used the word pansy ass? No. But should he have called them out? Yes. He should've. If you can dish out criticism, but can't take it, you're weak and childish.
    Know what..your post is absurd, ridiculous and so disengenous its laughable...and it has NOTHING do with the context in which savage conducted himself....

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    No, I think he is sorry for the word choice, but instead of listening to a discussion of how some Christians use the Bible to inflict violence upon young people, they chose the weak thing to do - act indignant and walk out. That is a sign of weakness.

    It's the same as a child pulling the "la la la...I can't hear you" thing.

    It's weak, impetuous, and childish and too many Americans of too many stripes behave this way now.

    Literally, what it's saying is this:

    "I'm a Christian, so I can call you awful names because I have a Bible in my hand."

    "Well, you offend me and you hurt people with your words."

    "How dare you insult me and my religion!"

    You want to criticize gays? Go ahead. It's your right. But you can't do that and then get all pissy when someone comes back at you. Should Savage have used the word pansy ass? No. But should he have called them out? Yes. He should've. If you can dish out criticism, but can't take it, you're weak and childish.


    So in the OP where was it in the article the kids said "la la la...I can't hear you" thing". I thought the article said the kids got up and walked out without comment. I must have missed that part.

    So your saying, if someone was doing the same to you, mocking something you believed in and you weren't told "before" attending you were going to be singled out, you'd have sat there with an open mind and listen intently?

    Your a much bigger person than I am.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    So in the OP where was it in the article the kids said "la la la...I can't hear you" thing". I thought the article said the kids got up and walked out without comment. I must have missed that part.

    So your saying, if someone was doing the same to you, mocking something you believed in and you weren't told "before" attending you were going to be singled out, you'd have sat there with an open mind and listen intently?

    Your a much bigger person than I am.
    I went to a friend's wedding where the Catholic priest decided to use the sermon to degrade gays and their relationships as being fraudulent. I didn't leave because I didn't want to make a scene at a friend's wedding. I did, however, scowl at the priest every time I saw him at the reception.

    This seems to be a new thing for some Christians - to take offense at nearly every criticism of their faith. Again, they can say, "I think you're evil and going to hell", but when challenged, they simply walk away. "I don't want to hear your reasons that I should reconsider my actions!" is essentially what they said.

    It is sad that there are kids killing themselves and people who claim to be Christian would prefer to not hear how they might be playing a role in that. It essentially means they'd rather kids die than listen to anything that might be critical of their actions.

    And he didn't call all Christians "pansy assed"; that comment came after they'd already begun to walk out. Again, it's a really poor word choice, but why should they be allowed to pass judgment upon others but run away when judgment returns their way? It's arrogance. It says, "I can judge you because this book lets me, but I won't DARE let you judge me."

    The "la la la" thing is an analogy.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Know what..your post is absurd, ridiculous and so disengenous its laughable...and it has NOTHING do with the context in which savage conducted himself....
    If you had any clue as to what is what, he does know what, and you demonstrate an egregious lack of such knowledge. FFG is entirely correct in what he said.
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