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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Then why isn't this effect seen in western tribal communities...such as Native American (north and south) tribes, Garifuna, and rural communities where large numbers of family still live in close proximity?
    It is seen in those tribal communities. Hence why I suggest you study it more. Look into "Two-Spirit" people.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Final paragraph from the article I originally linked to for this debate about the "gay uncle" hypothesis. (side note: readers should understand the difference between "hypothesis" and "theory" as used in a scientific context before commenting)

    Potential Evolutionary Role for Same-Sex Attraction

    Do these findings have any meaning outside of Samoa? Yes and no. Samoan culture is very different from most Western cultures. Samoan culture is very localized, and centered on tight-knit extended families, whereas Western societies tend to be highly individualistic and homophobic. Families are also much more geographically dispersed in Western cultures, diminishing the role that bachelor uncles can play in the extended family, even if they choose to. But in this sense, the researchers say, Samoa's communitarian culture may be more -- not less -- representative of the environment in which male same-sex sexuality evolved eons ago. In that sense, it's not the bachelor uncle who is poorly adapted to the world, but rather the modern Western world that has evolved into an unwelcoming place.
    Please note that the scientist's take on the matter being discussed does not make absolutist statements. Scientists will almost always inject qualifications into their claims, unlike the True Believer who 'knows' the Truth.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It is seen in those tribal communities. Hence why I suggest you study it more. Look into "Two-Spirit" people.

    Two-Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Neither this or the fa'afafine indicate a "natural" occurrance of these people...for example the fa'afafine are most often selected at a young age by families with low numbers of females and intentionally raised as women to perform female duties. This is nothing more than a matter of external conditioning constructed by society for specific purposes. Therefore a human construct, not evidence of evolution.
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    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Neither this or the fa'afafine indicate a "natural" occurrance of these people...for example the fa'afafine are most often selected at a young age by families with low numbers of females and intentionally raised as women to perform female duties. This is nothing more than a matter of external conditioning constructed by society for specific purposes. Therefore a human construct, not evidence of evolution.
    Mac, what do you care about evolution? You believe the world was invented by a religious deity in a span of a week.

    As for what this is and is not evidence for, it is a matter of perception. To borrow a little from your post modernism.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Mac, what do you care about evolution? You believe the world was invented by a religious deity in a span of a week.
    My religious beliefs do not exclude evolution, and I do indeed believe evolution to exist. It's my opinion that the two are not mutually exclusive. Way to be dismissive though.

    As for what this is and is not evidence for, it is a matter of perception. To borrow a little from your post modernism.
    I agree, and thanks again for attempting to dismiss your way out of a failing argument.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    My religious beliefs do not exclude evolution, and I do indeed believe evolution to exist. It's my opinion that the two are not mutually exclusive. Way to be dismissive though.
    So...you can take the liberty of believing that evolution is not contrary to the Bible, but if someone suggests that how people translate the word in the New Testament that people interpret as "homosexual" is wrong that is too much and is just justifying sin. Peh.

    I agree, and thanks again for attempting to dismiss your way out of a failing argument.
    What? You want me to prove that the way you interpret evidence is different than the way I interpret evidence?
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So...you can take the liberty of believing that evolution is not contrary to the Bible, but if someone suggests that how people translate the word in the New Testament that people interpret as "homosexual" is wrong that is too much and is just justifying sin. Peh.
    Where do you get these prejudices? Unless you want me to assume you are an exact replicant of every other homosexual I've met, I'd suggest that you not assume I am an exact replicant of every other Christian you've met.

    What? You want me to prove that the way you interpret evidence is different than the way I interpret evidence?
    You mean the way you choose to ignore that which doesn't fit your paradigm?
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Where do you get these prejudices? Unless you want me to assume you are an exact replicant of every other homosexual I've met, I'd suggest that you not assume I am an exact replicant of every other Christian you've met.
    Fair enough.

    You mean the way you choose to ignore that which doesn't fit your paradigm?
    We wouldn't have paradigms if we didn't ignore something. The human mind is built to categorize and discern.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Fair enough.
    Thank you.

    We wouldn't have paradigms if we didn't ignore something. The human mind is built to categorize and discern.
    And we wouldn't be human without an ability to adjust our paradigms based on new evidence. We have that ability, too, just sometimes not the will to realize it.
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    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Wow... All these days and all these posts later, and the left is still trying to justify their defense of hate speech.

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