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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post

    Should a keynote speaker invited to talk about alternative social media turn his 15 minutes into an anti-Christian screed?
    That's not what happened. Watch the tape.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

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    Maybe as soon as you stop editing my statements to fit your agenda...
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That's not what happened. Watch the tape.
    What tape? As I've asked previously, has the full speech been made available? I've read that among his opening remarks Savage talked about how hot his husband looked in a Speedo, and I guess we've all seen the "Bible is B.S." snippet?

    If you have a link to the full text, I'd be really grateful. I'm interested in the larger context.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So the scrolls, letters, fictions, poetry (Psalms) NOT included were what... not divinely inspired?

    How did they determine that? Did certain scrolls Glow?

    It was politics, people arguing, threatening and compromising, over a 30 year period that led to 27 books becoming the new testament canon--Bishops, Archbishops, a pope and an emperor all getting their 2 cents in.
    They had access to information back then that we don't have to make their decision on what's heresy and what's not. If the same process happened right now, Mormonism would be considered heresy

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    A committee deciding what's divinely inspired is quite different than a committee deciding whether or not Ramses wrote some document, especially when the people use the former's conclusions to affect so many other people.
    Not really. If you believe that something can be divinely inspired, then why couldn't the committee be?

    If none of it ever was, then it doesn't matter.

    In any case, it's not like "divinely inspired" was the whole criterion. There was plenty of actual, bona fide, academic authentication happening.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

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    You have become rather accusatory.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Not really. If you believe that something can be divinely inspired, then why couldn't the committee be?

    If none of it ever was, then it doesn't matter.

    In any case, it's not like "divinely inspired" was the whole criterion. There was plenty of actual, bona fide, academic authentication happening.
    It's actually completely different for the reason I listed: You're evaluating something that can't be objectively validated and experienced and isn't even "of this world" if it even exists. There's an obvious distance between evaluating something like that and reading documents left by Ancient Egyptians. If you can't see that, you don't want to it because it's so freaking obvious that I can't believe this is even a debate.

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, it isn't. The Bible is a collection of divinely inspired writings. It wouldn't make any sense to include works that were not divinely inspired.


    If I were putting together a cookbook, would it makes sense to include instructions on how to rebuild a carburetor? You do know what a carburetor is, right?

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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's actually completely different for the reason I listed: You're evaluating something that can't be objectively validated and experienced and isn't even "of this world" if it even exists. There's an obvious distance between evaluating something like that and reading documents left by Ancient Egyptians. If you can't see that, you don't want to it because it's so freaking obvious that I can't believe this is even a debate.

    They evaluated it against criteria that they established. Whether or not the criteria is subjective or objective is irrelevant. Adherence to the criteria would be objectively observed.
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    Re: Anti-Bullying Speaker Curses Christian Teens[W:165; 667]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It's actually completely different for the reason I listed: You're evaluating something that can't be objectively validated and experienced and isn't even "of this world" if it even exists. There's an obvious distance between evaluating something like that and reading documents left by Ancient Egyptians. If you can't see that, you don't want to it because it's so freaking obvious that I can't believe this is even a debate.
    Actually, I think you're missing MY points.

    First of all, the "committee," such as it was, rejected things as false mostly because they couldn't be authenticated sufficiently, or that they conflicted with the bulk of the rest of scripture. If, say, four potential Gospels all agreed substantially, and a fifth said something radically different, which one do you think is the outlier? THIS sort of thing led to books being left out more often than anything else. Do you find this an invalid approach? Do you think such committees do not/would not take the same approach today?

    Second, you say: "You're evaluating something that can't be objectively validated and experienced and isn't even "of this world" if it even exists."

    Which is part of my point. If there IS divine inspiration, it would certainly make sense that it would "inspire" such a "committee." If there ISN'T, then it doesn't matter, at all. Faith has never required scientific proof.
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