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    Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    A military judge refused on Thursday to dismiss the most serious charge against an Army private accused in the biggest leak of government secrets in U.S. history.




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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    All I can say is, GOOD!

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    All I can say is, GOOD!
    All I can say is I agree with you...

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    I would say it is definitely premature to drop that charge. It will be hard to get a conviction on that charge and he will almost certainly be convicted of enough that he will spend the rest of his life in prison, but the charge is certainly not impossible to get a conviction on, and as such should not be dropped.
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress
    ... he will almost certainly be convicted of enough that he will spend the rest of his life in prison...
    Ah yes, how dare he release documents proving U.S. lawlessness and human rights abuse! The fact that not a single person has been harmed as a result of the released documents means nothing. It seems perfectly natural to me for a nation to desire to imprison a person for life when he exposes war crimes!

    Land of the free? Innocent until proven guilty? Right to a speedy trial?

    Bradley Manning has spent nearly a year in solitary confinement, has been imprisoned for almost two years and hasn't even started his trial. The U.S. refused to allow the UN special rapporteur on torture an unmonitored examination of Mr. Manning. After a fourteen month investigation, the special rapporteur issued a statement saying that Bradley Manning’s treatment has been "cruel and inhuman."

    But certainly, let's throw this kid in jail for the rest of his life for exposing the truth of U.S. wars in the Middle East. Certainly gives a new meaning to the "Land of the free" for me...

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Ah yes, how dare he release documents proving U.S. lawlessness and human rights abuse! The fact that not a single person has been harmed as a result of the released documents means nothing. It seems perfectly natural to me for a nation to desire to imprison a person for life when he exposes war crimes!

    Land of the free? Innocent until proven guilty? Right to a speedy trial?

    Bradley Manning has spent nearly a year in solitary confinement, has been imprisoned for almost two years and hasn't even started his trial. The U.S. refused to allow the UN special rapporteur on torture an unmonitored examination of Mr. Manning. After a fourteen month investigation, the special rapporteur issued a statement saying that Bradley Manning’s treatment has been "cruel and inhuman."

    But certainly, let's throw this kid in jail for the rest of his life for exposing the truth of U.S. wars in the Middle East. Certainly gives a new meaning to the "Land of the free" for me...
    Umm..he broke the law and military regulations. That is what we call a crime. In this country, where we have laws, we have set punishments for crimes.
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Umm..he broke the law and military regulations. That is what we call a crime. In this country, where we have laws, we have set punishments for crimes.
    In this country, where we have laws, people are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of your peers. Therefore the key word you are forgetting is he allegedly broke the law.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Ah yes, how dare he release documents proving U.S. lawlessness and human rights abuse! The fact that not a single person has been harmed as a result of the released documents means nothing. It seems perfectly natural to me for a nation to desire to imprison a person for life when he exposes war crimes!

    Land of the free? Innocent until proven guilty? Right to a speedy trial?

    Bradley Manning has spent nearly a year in solitary confinement, has been imprisoned for almost two years and hasn't even started his trial. The U.S. refused to allow the UN special rapporteur on torture an unmonitored examination of Mr. Manning. After a fourteen month investigation, the special rapporteur issued a statement saying that Bradley Manning’s treatment has been "cruel and inhuman."

    But certainly, let's throw this kid in jail for the rest of his life for exposing the truth of U.S. wars in the Middle East. Certainly gives a new meaning to the "Land of the free" for me...
    I agree with much of what you said but it is oversimplified. I personally hope he doesn’t spend life in prison as I believe his reasons had some merit. However, he should do time because:

    1. He violated military law
    2. He violated the non-disclosure agreement he signed in order to obtain a security clearance
    3. Unlike the release of the Pentagon Papers, Manning didn’t vet the information he released. He didn’t just go through and select the cables that showed misconduct, he released them all without even reading them. Wikileaks does seem to have done a good job of ensuring anything they released did not jeopardize sources, but Manning had no right to trust Wikileaks to do so.

    I will say the majority of things we classify shouldn’t be classified, in my opinion. But some of it should and Manning disregarded that little distinction.

    That said, the treatment of Bradley Manning pending trial is inexcusable. A year in solitary confinement, even for a convicted felon, is cruel and unusual. And they did it to Manning even before trial. So on that point, TNAR, we are in 100% agreement.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Ah yes, how dare he release documents proving U.S. lawlessness and human rights abuse! The fact that not a single person has been harmed as a result of the released documents means nothing. It seems perfectly natural to me for a nation to desire to imprison a person for life when he exposes war crimes!
    Manning was a soldier, and as such was responsible for protecting the secrets of the military that he swore an oath of allegiance to. If he had actual evidence of war crimes his responsibility was to report the info to his superior officers. What Manning did was take a generic top secret records dump and indiscriminately handed the info over to individuals outside of the military community who did not have proper clearance for the info. That is treason, regardless of what results the info dump had. I seriously doubt Manning knew what was in the files he handed over, only that they were secret.

    Land of the free? Innocent until proven guilty? Right to a speedy trial?

    Bradley Manning has spent nearly a year in solitary confinement, has been imprisoned for almost two years and hasn't even started his trial. The U.S. refused to allow the UN special rapporteur on torture an unmonitored examination of Mr. Manning. After a fourteen month investigation, the special rapporteur issued a statement saying that Bradley Manning’s treatment has been "[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un"]cruel and inhuman.[/URL
    In serious cases suspects are often not released on their own recognizance. In a case like this where a massive amount of top secret info was leaked, I think it is reasonable to detain the suspect until trial.

    However, I do tend to agree that solitary confinement seems excessive, unless its for his own protection. High profile suspects are often targets for prison violence and they are put in solitary to keep them safe. Also, in the case of Manning I believe he was suicidal, and again for his own protection such a person should be closely monitored and have their interactions kept under strict scrutiny.

    As for the rest of that Guardian article, I think this special rapporteur is using the loosest definitions of the U.N. charter to give the U.S. a black eye. Of course the U.S. is not going to let Mannings communications go unmonitored, no suspect being held for any crime in the U.S. has that right. I am pretty certain that Manning can shower, BM and dress without someone watching him, which is all the privacy he really needs.

    I do not think of Manning as a hero, I think he is a disturbed, angry young man who made a horrendous mistake and will now pay for it for the rest of his life. His emotions wrote a big check that his ass now has to cash.
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    The man is a traitor. He gets no sympathy from me.
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