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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    I can't stand the Manning case. It would have been trivial to have a trial and convict manning based on laws regarding classified information. So what the hell was the point of violating the UCMJ and the constitution to illegally stick him in a box for years? There was absolutely no sane reason to deny him his right to a speedy trial.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    The information released was classified. He had no way of knowing whether or not his sharing of classified information would lead to dire consequences or not. If we hold him as a martyr and praise him for "exposing the evil of Amerika" or whatever such nonsense then we set a dangerous precedent for his actions. Eventually and inevitably, somebody will release documents that cause direct and serious harm to innocent civilians, either of our country or another. And then what? We'll have a legitimate argument from that person's defenders that Manning got off, so why shouldn't they?

    If you reveal classified information and thereby break the law in doing so, specifically classified military information, you should be punished in accordance with the penalties for such crime. Period. The intent or result are completely irrelevant.
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Relevant evidence must be provided to the defense or it is a violation of Manning's consitutional rights.
    I agree, and it wil probably be released when the parties involved have the appropriate security clearences. Even then, they will be limited to a cleared area where the classified documents can be viewed with appropriate security.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    "The material included two videos – one of a July 2007 Baghdad airstrike and the other of the May 2009 Granai airstrike in Afghanistan – as well as over 250,000 United States diplomatic cables, and around 500,000 army reports about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was the largest set of restricted documents ever leaked to the public"

    This isn't about being a whistle blower. There are appropriate channels to take issues such as this.

    The largest leak in American history is not the appropriate way to air your grievances.

    He needs to be made a lesson of so people don't think these actions are acceptable and without consequences.

    To those who say this leak did not hurt anyone.....that is absolute ignorance.
    ok, show us who was hurt, and how
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I can't stand the Manning case. It would have been trivial to have a trial and convict manning based on laws regarding classified information. So what the hell was the point of violating the UCMJ and the constitution to illegally stick him in a box for years? There was absolutely no sane reason to deny him his right to a speedy trial.
    What violations of the UCMJ and by whom? Please provide the title or article number violated. Also, if there were indeed violations, were the individuals who violated the UCMJ disciplined for those violations?

    Yes, he has a right to a speedy trial, but he also has the right to a fair trial. Finding a jury pool that actually has not seen material related to the case is going to be very difficult, Officers and NCO's are strongly encouraged to stay abreast of current events. That means the vast majority of those who could potentially be assigned duty on the panel have probably heard and read materials concerning the case. I do not think they would pursue the death penalty for this case, but, if you read the actual article of the UCMJ for the charge mentioned in the title of this thread, you will read that death is a punishment listed for the article he is being charged under. That means extra steps and precautions have to be taken, which will add time to the case. I do not know why he was ordered to pretrial confinement, but someone had to of had justification for it to be allowed.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, show us who was hurt, and how
    Taliban use Wikileaks to Hunt, Murder Named Afghans

    ...The Times (firewalled again, I’m sorry) asked Wikileaks founder Julian Assange what he thought of it:

    • He claimed that many informers in Afghanistan were “acting in a criminal way” by sharing false information with Nato authorities.

    • He said the White House knew that informants’ names could be exposed before the release but did nothing to help WikiLeaks to vet the data.

    • He insisted that any risk to informants’ lives was outweighed by the overall importance of publishing the information....

    Bradley Manning is guilty of treason. He should be tried, and if found guilty, shot.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Ah yes, how dare he release documents proving U.S. lawlessness and human rights abuse!
    If all Manning had leaked was videos of US soldiers behaving illegally, then I would be more inclined to agree with you. It's one thing to leak information in order to be a whistleblower to expose wrongdoing...but Manning went far beyond that, and leaked plenty of stuff that had nothing to do with "US lawlessness and human rights abuse." Did anyone really need to know American diplomats/ambassadors' views about the leaders of other nations? Or American assessments of the security of nuclear facilities in other nations? Or that the Zimbabwean opposition was secretly urging the US to keep sanctions in place, in spite of his public statements to the contrary?

    None of this **** can remotely be called "US lawlessness and human rights abuse." Most classified documents are classified for a reason, that has nothing to do with a sinister cover-up of wrongdoing.
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Taliban use Wikileaks to Hunt, Murder Named Afghans


    Manning is guilty of treason. He should be tried, and if found guilty, shot.
    you choose to ignore the portion of the wikileaks information which reveals the cover-up of murder of civilians by our troops
    you would give the government an absolute right to secrecy which then also gives the government an absolute ability to lie to its citizens

    let's quit pretending that our nation, our government gives a rat's ass about the afghan people
    this opposition to such exposure of government wrongdoing is nothing more than chaff, misdirecting the focus of our people so they won’t notice what is actually within the wikileaks documents:
    even a casual reader would realize that we have lost already!

    the taliban are already in control of that nation. they are going no where. they are waiting us out. and they are thus winning. the wikileaks information exposes that reality. this is just like vietnam, when we pointed to daily body counts as the scorecard previewing our eventual "success". we are losing; there is no way to win
    as soon as we abandon the propped up "democratic" and very corrupt afghan government and return home the tribal afghan people are going to accede to imposed shariah law as imposed by the taliban. the talibs will control the government

    wikileaks is to afghanistan what the pentagon papers was to vietnam. the unvarnished truth that this war is a wasted effort - for those who care to look
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Exposing to the whole world instances like Abu Garib cause more harm than good.

    You create rage escalating the IEDs, suicide attacks, and sniper attacks beyond their normal level causing soldiers who had absolutely nothing to do with the incident to be killed.

    Things like this need to be handled internally.

    There are people in the military whose full time job is to conduct these investigations, and they do. Dumping the largest amount of classified info ever leaked at one time was not the appropriate way to deal with this situation.

    From what I gather this information could have been accessed by anyone with a sipernet account, so it's not as if there was this great big coverup.

    If he felt he saw something that was a violation he could have reported it.

    From what I have seen this was premeditated. He signed NDAs so he can't just play the " I didn't know" card.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Goddamn phony tea partiers - what about your precious Constitution and how it forbids cruel and unusual punishment?

    And you military men willing to throw one of your own under the bus for a guy who released files that were not even classified?

    Biggest bunch of shallow comments of recent memory!

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