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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    In this country, where we have laws, people are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of your peers. Therefore the key word you are forgetting is he allegedly broke the law.
    Correct, all the charges are allegations at this point. That changes nothing I said in any significant way.
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito
    I agree with much of what you said but it is oversimplified. I personally hope he doesn’t spend life in prison as I believe his reasons had some merit. However, he should do time because:
    Of course it is oversimplified. We are also not privy to much of the details of the case and, as such, are not qualified to place a guilty judgment on him. Violating any law, military or otherwise, can be excused for a wide variety of reasons. In this particular case, he allegedly violated the law in order to correct other laws which were also being violated. Do two wrongs make a right? Not necessarily, but there certainly may be extenuating circumstances which we are not aware of. On this it seems we are in agreement. He has served two years in jail; perhaps that is enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry
    Manning was a soldier, and as such was responsible for protecting the secrets of the military that he swore an oath of allegiance to. If he had actual evidence of war crimes his responsibility was to report the info to his superior officers.
    Don't give me that BS. There were no superior officers available because the misconduct went to the top. It is next to impossible for a PFC to directly contact the theater commander or President. Soldiers swear an oath to defend the nation against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Lawlessness falls into that category and he was doing what he thought was right. Why don't we leave the judgement of guilt to the jury?

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    That is treason
    Better check your UCMJ again on that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry
    In serious cases suspects are often not released on their own recognizance. In a case like this where a massive amount of top secret info was leaked, I think it is reasonable to detain the suspect until trial.
    I do not disagree. But the laws of the U.S. guarantees a speedy trial. Two years in prison and the inability to discreetly meet with a UN investigator are hardly speedy or within typical human rights agreements. Put this case in another country and the U.S. media would be slobbering all over it with allegations of human rights violations, but because the U.S. is the perpetrator it is just fine. I'm calling BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry
    Of course the U.S. is not going to let Mannings communications go unmonitored, no suspect being held for any crime in the U.S. has that right.
    Every suspected criminal has the right to meet with an attorney without being monitored.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    What Manning did was take a generic top secret records dump and indiscriminately handed the info over to individuals outside of the military community who did not have proper clearance for the info.
    Just for the sake of accuracy, I don't think he is accused of leaking anything classified higher than Secret NOFORN.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Ah yes, how dare he release documents proving U.S. lawlessness and human rights abuse!
    If he discovered evidence of criminal acts, he should have taken them though the correct legal process. If there was legitimate concern of a cover-up or similar, there could be justification for releasing only the information specifically relating to such criminal acts.

    What he is actually accused of doing is gathering a vast amount of data, much more than he could possibly have checked for evidence of criminality and risks to national security or individuals safety (not that he was in a position to make that judgement anyway), and freely handing it over to a private organisation.

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    The fact that not a single person has been harmed as a result of the released documents means nothing.
    That's true. The fact that it could have done is very relevant though.

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    It seems perfectly natural to me for a nation to desire to imprison a person for life when he exposes war crimes!
    I've no doubt that political embarrassment has influence how this case has played out but that is independent of the questions of whether what he actually did was either legal or morally justified.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The man is a traitor. He gets no sympathy from me.
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    Is a rather stupid editorial by some random nobody supposed to mean anything?
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    Here is the bottom line ( as far as I'm concerned)
    In order to capture people like
    Bin Laden and find and recover our POWs like Lynch and Bergdahl we need intelligence networks ( liaison, sources, etc )

    Who is going to want to talk to us if we can't keep a secret?

    I realize arm chair generals feel like they are entitled to know everything but guess what? When they find out so do our enemies.

    The man is a traitor.

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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Umm..he broke the law and military regulations. That is what we call a crime. In this country, where we have laws, we have set punishments for crimes.
    In May 2010 when Manning gave the material to Wikileaks DADT was military law. Manning was openly gay and his Commander looked the other way. If she had followed the law Manning would have been discharged before the crime was committed. In addition, before deploying to Iraq he had sent his CO a photo of himself dressed as a woman, calling himself Brianna and said that his gender identity issues were making it difficult to perform his job. He asked for help and his chain of command took no action. Even after they arrived in Iraq and his behavior became so bizarre that she ordered the bolt removed from his weapon, his security clearance and access to classified material were never revoked. This is a huge embarrassment to his entire chain of command. It's obvious that he was dealing with major psychological problems and should have, at a minimum, been counseled by mental health professionals. His entire chain of command is guilty of dereliction of duty and should be punished to the max. Manning's lawyer is right to use diminished mental capacity as a defense. His Commanding Officer also needs to be put on trial.

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    I saw people try to play the gay angle all the time to get out of deploying, chances are his command had too.

    Even before DADT was repealed
    there were guys we knew were gay and over looked it
    because they were cool and didn't make a big deal out of it.

    Being gay is not a mental disorder.

    Looking back with 20/20 hindsight I'm sure they might handle it different.

    As far as sending a picture in a dress... You'd be surprised the things straight grunts will do for a laugh. Things that to a outside observer would seem "super gay". Like the "impossible situp"
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    Re: Bradley Manning Hearing: Judge Refuses To Dismiss 'Aiding The Enemy' Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I saw people try to play the gay angle all the time to get out of deploying, chances are his command had too.

    Even before DADT was repealed
    there were guys we knew were gay and over looked it
    because they were cool and didn't make a big deal out of it.

    Being gay is not a mental disorder.

    Looking back with 20/20 hindsight I'm sure they might handle it different.

    As far as sending a picture in a dress... You'd be surprised the things straight grunts will do for a laugh. Things that to a outside observer would seem "super gay". Like the "impossible situp"
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