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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Well to some people, so is abortion. The Church is against that, too.
    The Church is against almost everything - except, apparently, molesting little boys and punishing those who do.
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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin
    While they're ethical standards may be established due to their belief in religion, it is not directly discriminating against her due to HER religion. That would be more along the lines of "You're a muslim, so we're not hiring you".
    Firing someone for violating their particular religious beliefs smacks of religious discrimination, I don't know how to put it otherwise. Add to that firing her for getting infertility treatment, I don't see how it's anything but discrimination. Interpretation matters, to be sure it may come down either way, but realistically I think it's pretty obvious what's going on. Religious tolerance on matters that collide with reason, is something I just don't have the stomach for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Private school. Teacher knew this when she signed on to teach. If she didn't, then they should have fired her for being to dumb to teach.
    She knew they would break the law and discriminate against her (her perspective)?
    She knew she was going to have fertility trouble when she took the job?

    I don't find your argument compelling.
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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, she should be condemned to eternal damnation because she wanted a baby. God, ya gotta love religion, don't you?


    Count on you Mr. Wiggen to drag that old smelly red herring over the trail.

    If she's a Catholic then she went into the school knowing their standing on the issue. If not what does she care about the Catholic Church and their "eternal damnation".

    See this is what gets me with the "non-believer" - "religion basher", if you don't believe then you should give a wizz about the rules.

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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    The problem with 'they should have known better' is until now who knew the Catholic Church was against invetro? I mean this came up back when BushII was pandering to the Fundamentalists but the Mother Church stood silent. Now as the Church is pushing back against many women's issues this come up. The Church has a vague 'Church Doctrine' clause but never seemed to list invetro until the healthcare issue came up.

    Life beginning at conception is a rather new 'infallible' tenant. Not Church Doctrine in the beginning, more a reaction to the Protestant 'uprising'.

    Now for me the separation is a two way street. The Church needs a wall between it's Pulpit and business dealings. It is nothing new, Christian Charities do this all the time in non christian nations. Rome doesn't denounce this, but seems rather understanding in they can't push the Catholic Faith on people who don't agree with it.

    No one is saying Nuns must take the pill. But if the nation's law says its OK to do invetro, take the pill and have an abortion then at the very least the Church must allow it's workers that option. Now once the law includes these as part of insurance programs then yes the Church must pay the insurance premiums for its lay workers in hospitals, outreach programs and schools. Don't have to pay the nun's insurance coverage for abortions but do have to for the teacher/coach/janitor.

    Failure to keep the wall between the Pulpit and the businesses should at the very least cost the Church it's tax exempt status, for how much of it's dealings is a good subject to negotiate.

    Way I see it, Christianity will be a big loser if both Fundamentalists and Catholics continue to attack birth control and fertility treatments using fertilized eggs. The number of AMERICAN women who use or accept birth control, fertility drugs that create multiple egg drop, and invetro is in the high 90's.

    They are too American to submit to a foreign potentate, wish our right wing politicians remembered that part of the Constitution when they embrace it.

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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Yes, she should be condemned to eternal damnation because she wanted a baby. God, ya gotta love religion, don't you?
    It isn't even about that. It's about the fact that she broke the rules set forth by her employer. The baby aspect is just to garner emotion for her case.

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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Count on you Mr. Wiggen to drag that old smelly red herring over the trail.

    If she's a Catholic then she went into the school knowing their standing on the issue. If not what does she care about the Catholic Church and their "eternal damnation".

    See this is what gets me with the "non-believer" - "religion basher", if you don't believe then you should give a wizz about the rules.
    And you are what gets me with the religious fanatics. No matter what a church does it's fine because, by God, they're a church and they can do whatever the hell they like. I don't give a 'wizz' about stupid religious dogma. What I do care about are human rights, chief of which would seem to be the right to reproduce and not have it cost you your job.
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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    It isn't even about that. It's about the fact that she broke the rules set forth by her employer. The baby aspect is just to garner emotion for her case.
    Don't be silly. The baby is what the case is all about. You guys crack me up with your 'church rules' nonsense, as though that was the only thing that mattered. How about her right to have a baby and still have a job?
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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And you are what gets me with the religious fanatics. No matter what a church does it's fine because, by God, they're a church and they can do whatever the hell they like. I don't give a 'wizz' about stupid religious dogma. What I do care about are human rights, chief of which would seem to be the right to reproduce and not have it cost you your job.


    I think I've mentioned this before, but I was raised by an atheist. He could have cared what you or anyone else believed in or didn't. Wasn't his problem, nor would he make it his problem.

    As to the lady in the article, if she went to work at a Catholic school and didn't know all the rules and regs of the position, then it was her fault. If she did then that's her mistake and problem.

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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Don't be silly. The baby is what the case is all about. You guys crack me up with your 'church rules' nonsense, as though that was the only thing that mattered. How about her right to have a baby and still have a job?
    Nobody is saying she can't have a baby. What they are saying is she cannot remain a Catholic school teacher and engage in a practice that is forbidden by the Catholic church. Religious institutions are different from regular workplaces, and I'm sure that if she taught in a private Jewish school, she would have rules that are set forth by the church. If she taught in a Muslim school, same rules apply. You have to follow the rules set forth by your workplace.

    If she didn't want to follow the rules of the Catholic church, she should have gotten a job in a public school. Honestly, she was fortunate to get a job at all, fresh out of college. There are teachers who have been out of work for years, and she waltzes into a job when the ink isn't even dry on her diploma?

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    Re: Teacher Claims She Was Fired From Catholic School For In Vitro Fertilization

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And you are what gets me with the religious fanatics. No matter what a church does it's fine because, by God, they're a church and they can do whatever the hell they like. I don't give a 'wizz' about stupid religious dogma. What I do care about are human rights, chief of which would seem to be the right to reproduce and not have it cost you your job.
    Doesn't the excecise of your rights have concequences? We seem to hear that a lot, when something happens that the Leftists don't like.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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