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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Not that we can ever agree on what needs cutting...
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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Not that we can ever agree on what needs cutting...
    We have a very simple means of dealing with that issue, if people would simply use it..... Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution; as written by the Founding Fathers and ratified by the states. The Section has not been Amended by any means since the writing of the document and the only other part of the Constitution that expressly deals with the issue is the Tenth Amendment which notes that anything not listed there is a power of the States and the People, not the Federal Government.

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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Senate Votes to Abandon Budget Control Act | Power Line

    Well, anyone with a brain knew this was going to happen back when they made the 'agreement'.
    As I've said numerous times...

    When you compromise on something that happens IMMEDIETELY in exchange for something that MIGHT happen in the future unless you have reasonable expectation the other side will make good with their end, you're likely acting foolishly and it would be understandable if you refuse such a compromise unless.

    That goes for both sides too, Democrats or Republicans.

    However, this is a perfect example of why...when people currently are bitching that Republicans refuse to compromise...so many on the right don't WANT to compromise right now. Many of the compromises offered up during the Obama administration have been instances where something has happened IMMEDIETELY or will happen over a length of time but is the type of thing that is traditionally EXTREMELY difficult to end once it's begun....and in exchange there's promises of something multiple years down the line, that can has historically been easy to overturn, and is basically dependent on future politicians to abide by.

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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Who is more to blame, the Dem's doing it or the reps that made the deal with Dem's knowing full well they would do it. It's a rhetorical question.
    The GOP can block any bill they choose to block right now. "The Dem's doing it" is inaccurate. It's both parties.
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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    That crushes the "down the road" spending cuts talking point we always hear about from Dems. If they violate the agreement that is the basis for the spending cuts--eliminating them, there are no spending cuts and all that happened is the tax increases that got passed just get spent.

    That is the fundamental reason why there should not ever be tax increases unless and until we see true, real spending cuts----not down the road but NOW.
    This is the reason why so many here are against tax increases, not because they are mean or unfair but they know congress is not serious about spending cuts. They are serious about spending. That has to change.
    It's been that way for more than thirty years now. When do you foresee it changing?
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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Senate Votes to Abandon Budget Control Act | Power Line



    Well, anyone with a brain knew this was going to happen back when they made the 'agreement'.
    Yeah, told you so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    This is a prime example as to why we need term limits.
    another non-solution.

    The real solution is to create a new political party but you're all too lazy for that.
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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As I've said numerous times...

    When you compromise on something that happens IMMEDIETELY in exchange for something that MIGHT happen in the future unless you have reasonable expectation the other side will make good with their end, you're likely acting foolishly and it would be understandable if you refuse such a compromise unless.

    That goes for both sides too, Democrats or Republicans.

    However, this is a perfect example of why...when people currently are bitching that Republicans refuse to compromise...so many on the right don't WANT to compromise right now. Many of the compromises offered up during the Obama administration have been instances where something has happened IMMEDIETELY or will happen over a length of time but is the type of thing that is traditionally EXTREMELY difficult to end once it's begun....and in exchange there's promises of something multiple years down the line, that can has historically been easy to overturn, and is basically dependent on future politicians to abide by.
    Why are you laying the blame on Democrats for this? The Republicans are in a conspiracy with the Democrats, the Republican politicians knew full well this would happen but did all the song and dance anyways pretending to be principled. In fact this is exactly what the Republican globalist politicians were planning on all along; in a conspiracy with the Democrat globalist politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The GOP can block any bill they choose to block right now. "The Dem's doing it" is inaccurate. It's both parties.
    When are you numbskulls going to realize there is a 1-party system ruling the country, on all the important issues (including deficit spending), they all do exactly the same thing, hell even the Libertarians and Greens would be doing the exact same thing (deficit spending) if they actually had any power, so this conspiracy also has control over the alternatives, pretty thorough if you ask me.
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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    As I recall Congress people have term limits.

    They're called elections.

    I still say we need term limits. Just like the POTUS can only serve 2 terms, our representatives should be under the same gun. 2 terms and your out.

    That way we won't have to deal with "represntative lifers", who wield to much power. This shouldn't be a career, it should be a calling to actuallty bring in new ideas. Maybe then "they'd" learn to work with others represntatives to make real changes, not just talk the change talk and do nothing.

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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    As I recall Congress people have term limits.

    They're called elections.
    Yeah, that's often used as the reason we don't need them. The power of encumbancy is so strong that getting a sitting Congressman voted out of office is a very difficult thing to do. It shouldn't be. Eight years and out. Then, maybe in their 7th and 8th years they'd actually vote in the best interests of the American people instead of their own.
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    Re: Senate votes to abandon budget control act

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Yeah, told you so.



    another non-solution.

    The real solution is to create a new political party but you're all too lazy for that.


    I'd love to see the fight that would insue when the platform committee gets together for this 3rd Party.

    I don't much like the 2 parties we have now, but throwing in another party would, IMO, sink the country.

    We have a workable system. What we need are people who are willing to give 8-12 years, knowing they're out after, to make some tough decisions. They won't have to worry about "buying votes", like we have as part of our current system. They'd be able to look at the future of the country and not their future in politics. JMO

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