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Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

This will not teach your kids a work ethic.
 
One more time-
FARM WORK is exempt from almost all wage earner 'city work' laws. Wouldn't have it any other way. But there is a difference between my daughter doing her chores and kids working in a feedlot, wheat elevator, plowing fields til way past midnite.

I do think the attempt to stir the pot with a false charge of denying farm kids their chores is more a cover for keeping immigrant children in the field. Course if some 'conservatives' get their way, immigrant children will be banned from attending public schools so what else can they do but pick produce with the parents. :roll:

Here in the wheat belt almost all farm kids have chores in regards to farming/ranching. Some of them can work cattle on a horse better than grown men. But always under the watchful eye of their dad. Some do plow ground, but not on the old arm breaker/widow maker tractors, and most often not late at night.

My daughter loved the livestock side of it all, hated the tractor, loved driving the work truck behind me as I moved the tractor from field to field. She loved wheat harvest, she liked teasing the 'wheaties' who worked the harvests. I didn't... :mad:
 
I do think the attempt to stir the pot with a false charge of denying farm kids their chores is more a cover for keeping immigrant children in the field. Course if some 'conservatives' get their way, immigrant children will be banned from attending public schools so what else can they do but pick produce with the parents. :roll:

Wow. Talk about a load of BS. What are your thoughts about the government taking over safety training, not allow 4-H and FFA to do it?
 
Funny you call keeping immigrant children in the fields BS but not the OP rabble rousing, kids can't do chores no more isn't???? Spare me... :roll:

Depends on what the safety course is for. Depends on if the courses can be given by FFA/4H once they certify to be instructors as well. FFA gives hunter safety but only those instructors who have certified can sign off on a minor's certificate to get a hunting license in Oklahoma. There is no magic phone booth from which gubment officials pop out on demand. Most likely the same folks giving the safety courses now will do so once they certify.

Take a deep breath and chillax.

Farming, and more to the point agribusiness are some of the most deadly civilian jobs out there. Last I checked always in the top 5 most dangerous. The machinery we use causes around 1/3 the deaths. I am not saying a new safety course will help, am saying b*tchin about it is silly.
 
Wow. Talk about a load of BS. What are your thoughts about the government taking over safety training, not allow 4-H and FFA to do it?

I find nothing about this in the document the source article provided. Considering the article was flat out dishonest in other areas, without some confirmation I am doubtfull that is the full story or the true story.
 
Depends .... Depends ..... Most likely.....

Is it possible to be definitive on anything?

Farming, and more to the point agribusiness are some of the most deadly civilian jobs out there. Last I checked always in the top 5 most dangerous. The machinery we use causes around 1/3 the deaths.

From the OP article: "They have said the number of injuries are higher for children than in non-ag industries,” she said. But everyone in agriculture, Boswell insisted, “makes sure youth work in tasks that are age-appropriate.”

The safety training requirements strike many in agriculture as particularly strange, given an injury rate among young people that is already falling rapidly.

According to a United States Department of Agriculture study, farm accidents among youth fell nearly 40 percent between 2001 and 2009, to 7.2 injuries per 1,000 farms.
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I find nothing about this in the document the source article provided. Considering the article was flat out dishonest in other areas, without some confirmation I am doubtfull that is the full story or the true story.

"The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course."

"“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate."

The real interesting thing, is they say it's open for comment, but where is the actual proposal to review to comment on? There is an press announcement...
 
"The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course."

"“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate."

The real interesting thing, is they say it's open for comment, but where is the actual proposal to review to comment on? There is an press announcement...

Those are from ther article, which has not shown itself to be accurate, not from the source the article cites. Going to the webstire of 4-H and FFA, all I can find is that they have testified in front of congress on the topic. Without some kind of indiependent source backing the claim, I am putting it down as unproven and probably either another lie, or not the whole story on the subject.
 
Those are from ther article, which has not shown itself to be accurate, not from the source the article cites. Going to the webstire of 4-H and FFA, all I can find is that they have testified in front of congress on the topic. Without some kind of indiependent source backing the claim, I am putting it down as unproven and probably either another lie, or not the whole story on the subject.

Hard to know when the mainstream media does not report some things. Have you managed to find the actual proposal so that even the press release can be vetted as accurate or not?
 
Child Labor Laws | Farming | Department of Labor | The Daily Caller



More invasion into the private lives of families, in a manner that is more harmful than helpful.

More and more and more government. It seems that neither party actually gets rid of government, they just grow it in different areas. There are some states where kids can get in trouble for working at their family's restaurant, that's BS. I got my first job at 14 (McDonald's), but had worked my Grandma's dairy farm many many summers before that (and after that...stupid dairy farm).

We wonder why we're starting to turn into a country of ******s.
 
"The new regulations, first proposed August 31 by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, would also revoke the government’s approval of safety training and certification taught by independent groups like 4-H and FFA, replacing them instead with a 90-hour federal government training course."

"“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate."

The real interesting thing, is they say it's open for comment, but where is the actual proposal to review to comment on? There is an press announcement...

I don't want to go through the work of finding it, but I'm sure you can find the proposed ruling, as well as any comments submitted, here: Regulations.gov

You should probably search for the name of the proposed ruling or, maybe, the subject.
 
Hard to know when the mainstream media does not report some things. Have you managed to find the actual proposal so that even the press release can be vetted as accurate or not?

I have not, neither have you, nor apparently has the person who wrote the article. Two of us have not lied yet on this issue, the guy who wrote the article, he did.
 
I have not, neither have you, nor apparently has the person who wrote the article. Two of us have not lied yet on this issue, the guy who wrote the article, he did.

What proof do you have? Considering you said you have not read the full proposal, it would be interesting to know how you *know* he lied.
 
What proof do you have? Considering you said you have not read the full proposal, it would be interesting to know how you *know* he lied.

Dude, go back and read the headline alone of the story. It is not true based on the evidence the article itself cited.
 
Funny you call keeping immigrant children in the fields BS but not the OP rabble rousing, kids can't do chores no more isn't???? Spare me... :roll:

Depends on what the safety course is for. Depends on if the courses can be given by FFA/4H once they certify to be instructors as well. FFA gives hunter safety but only those instructors who have certified can sign off on a minor's certificate to get a hunting license in Oklahoma. There is no magic phone booth from which gubment officials pop out on demand. Most likely the same folks giving the safety courses now will do so once they certify.

Take a deep breath and chillax.

Farming, and more to the point agribusiness are some of the most deadly civilian jobs out there. Last I checked always in the top 5 most dangerous. The machinery we use causes around 1/3 the deaths. I am not saying a new safety course will help, am saying b*tchin about it is silly.

Yes, I suppose we should all be quiet. Discussion can't be productive, and besides, it will all work out without any input from we, the people. :roll:
 
Yes, I suppose we should all be quiet. Discussion can't be productive, and besides, it will all work out without any input from we, the people. :roll:

It will all work and we will all be better off if we just give government control of everything, then the world will be perfect---Standard Liberal Philosophy.

Never mind that there is no substantiated proof that it has or will ever work.
 
Only the all to quick to trot out their favorite stalking horse, or think because they are 'we the people' they somehow have a clue about the subject at hand. It was easy enough to see some were just posting to b*tch about a false issue because someone called it 'Big Government' interference with the noble toilers of the land, (place hand to heart, gentlemen will remove their hats!)

Envoking 'we the people' doesn't make up for being ill-informed. Hell's Bells, farming is one of THE most Big Government interference sectors out there, and the big time farmers are getting rich from it. Getting 'Big Government' out of agriculture would be the ruin of many 'corporate' family farms, and open we the people up to some pretty hefty costs for food you DON'T want to see....

Maybe on AM Talk Radio ranting on and on about false 'facts' and stirring the people works, I do have better hopes for here...
 
Only the all to quick to trot out their favorite stalking horse, or think because they are 'we the people' they somehow have a clue about the subject at hand. It was easy enough to see some were just posting to b*tch about a false issue because someone called it 'Big Government' interference with the noble toilers of the land, (place hand to heart, gentlemen will remove their hats!)

Envoking 'we the people' doesn't make up for being ill-informed. Hell's Bells, farming is one of THE most Big Government interference sectors out there, and the big time farmers are getting rich from it. Getting 'Big Government' out of agriculture would be the ruin of many 'corporate' family farms, and open we the people up to some pretty hefty costs for food you DON'T want to see....

Maybe on AM Talk Radio ranting on and on about false 'facts' and stirring the people works, I do have better hopes for here...

I used the phrase "we, the people" in a post. About what am I uninformed? If I invoked "we, the people" and were informed, would that be different?

Maybe "big time farmers are getting richer." Not sure who they are--who are they? What kind of acreage are you talking about? And who specified that we were talking about "corporate" family farms?
 
Wonder how much the government thinks it's going to bring in charging for some special OSHA training, and how many 4-H and FFA chapters it's going to close due to such intervention.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. It always boils down to cold, hard, cash. The gov't saw a way to rake in more money and acted. Such a sad thing too.
 
The point I was making about envoking 'we the people' is it doesn't somehow make you smarter. just a bit pompass I think.

Now IF you don't know what a corporate family farm is, or how big a farmer is that the 'Big Government' interference creates a large profit margin, you might be one of the very ill-informed (taking a bit from Jeff Foxworthy)

IF you understood farming at all you would know acreage isn't a good indicator of wealth. A huge West Texas ranch (5,000 acres) can be dirt poor compared to a 300 acres soybean farmer in Mississippi.
 
Do you guys who 'worry' about the 4-H/FFA closing due to ahhhh 'interference' have a clue what ALL both groups do?

Do you have any idea who funds them?

My thought is even if the FFA/4H officals don't certify to teach the upgraded course, both groups would be FAR better off to be shuck of the responsibility.

But what do I know, it is just my lively hood and such...
 
Dude, go back and read the headline alone of the story. It is not true based on the evidence the article itself cited.

If none of it was true, how does one explain this:

News from The Associated Press

Under heavy pressure from farm groups, the Obama administration said Thursday it would drop an unpopular plan to prevent children from doing hazardous work on farms owned by anyone other than their parents.
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The surprise move comes just two months after the Labor Department modified the rule in a bid to satisfy opponents. The agency made it clear it would exempt children who worked on farms owned or operated by their parents, even if the ownership was part of a complex partnership or corporate agreement.

That didn't appease farm groups that complained it would upset traditions in which many children work on farms owned by uncles, grandparents and other relatives to reduce costs and learn how a farm operates. The Labor Department said Thursday it was responding to thousands of comments that expressed concern about the impact of the changes on small family-owned farms.
 
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