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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    What proof do you have? Considering you said you have not read the full proposal, it would be interesting to know how you *know* he lied.
    Dude, go back and read the headline alone of the story. It is not true based on the evidence the article itself cited.
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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Funny you call keeping immigrant children in the fields BS but not the OP rabble rousing, kids can't do chores no more isn't???? Spare me...

    Depends on what the safety course is for. Depends on if the courses can be given by FFA/4H once they certify to be instructors as well. FFA gives hunter safety but only those instructors who have certified can sign off on a minor's certificate to get a hunting license in Oklahoma. There is no magic phone booth from which gubment officials pop out on demand. Most likely the same folks giving the safety courses now will do so once they certify.

    Take a deep breath and chillax.

    Farming, and more to the point agribusiness are some of the most deadly civilian jobs out there. Last I checked always in the top 5 most dangerous. The machinery we use causes around 1/3 the deaths. I am not saying a new safety course will help, am saying b*tchin about it is silly.
    Yes, I suppose we should all be quiet. Discussion can't be productive, and besides, it will all work out without any input from we, the people.

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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Yes, I suppose we should all be quiet. Discussion can't be productive, and besides, it will all work out without any input from we, the people.
    It will all work and we will all be better off if we just give government control of everything, then the world will be perfect---Standard Liberal Philosophy.

    Never mind that there is no substantiated proof that it has or will ever work.

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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Only the all to quick to trot out their favorite stalking horse, or think because they are 'we the people' they somehow have a clue about the subject at hand. It was easy enough to see some were just posting to b*tch about a false issue because someone called it 'Big Government' interference with the noble toilers of the land, (place hand to heart, gentlemen will remove their hats!)

    Envoking 'we the people' doesn't make up for being ill-informed. Hell's Bells, farming is one of THE most Big Government interference sectors out there, and the big time farmers are getting rich from it. Getting 'Big Government' out of agriculture would be the ruin of many 'corporate' family farms, and open we the people up to some pretty hefty costs for food you DON'T want to see....

    Maybe on AM Talk Radio ranting on and on about false 'facts' and stirring the people works, I do have better hopes for here...

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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Only the all to quick to trot out their favorite stalking horse, or think because they are 'we the people' they somehow have a clue about the subject at hand. It was easy enough to see some were just posting to b*tch about a false issue because someone called it 'Big Government' interference with the noble toilers of the land, (place hand to heart, gentlemen will remove their hats!)

    Envoking 'we the people' doesn't make up for being ill-informed. Hell's Bells, farming is one of THE most Big Government interference sectors out there, and the big time farmers are getting rich from it. Getting 'Big Government' out of agriculture would be the ruin of many 'corporate' family farms, and open we the people up to some pretty hefty costs for food you DON'T want to see....

    Maybe on AM Talk Radio ranting on and on about false 'facts' and stirring the people works, I do have better hopes for here...
    I used the phrase "we, the people" in a post. About what am I uninformed? If I invoked "we, the people" and were informed, would that be different?

    Maybe "big time farmers are getting richer." Not sure who they are--who are they? What kind of acreage are you talking about? And who specified that we were talking about "corporate" family farms?

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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Child Labor Laws | Farming | Department of Labor | The Daily Caller



    More invasion into the private lives of families, in a manner that is more harmful than helpful.
    That's a silly idea.
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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Wonder how much the government thinks it's going to bring in charging for some special OSHA training, and how many 4-H and FFA chapters it's going to close due to such intervention.
    I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. It always boils down to cold, hard, cash. The gov't saw a way to rake in more money and acted. Such a sad thing too.
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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    The point I was making about envoking 'we the people' is it doesn't somehow make you smarter. just a bit pompass I think.

    Now IF you don't know what a corporate family farm is, or how big a farmer is that the 'Big Government' interference creates a large profit margin, you might be one of the very ill-informed (taking a bit from Jeff Foxworthy)

    IF you understood farming at all you would know acreage isn't a good indicator of wealth. A huge West Texas ranch (5,000 acres) can be dirt poor compared to a 300 acres soybean farmer in Mississippi.

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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Do you guys who 'worry' about the 4-H/FFA closing due to ahhhh 'interference' have a clue what ALL both groups do?

    Do you have any idea who funds them?

    My thought is even if the FFA/4H officals don't certify to teach the upgraded course, both groups would be FAR better off to be shuck of the responsibility.

    But what do I know, it is just my lively hood and such...

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    Re: Rural kids, parents angry about Labor Dept. rule banning farm chores

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Dude, go back and read the headline alone of the story. It is not true based on the evidence the article itself cited.
    If none of it was true, how does one explain this:

    News from The Associated Press

    Under heavy pressure from farm groups, the Obama administration said Thursday it would drop an unpopular plan to prevent children from doing hazardous work on farms owned by anyone other than their parents.
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    The surprise move comes just two months after the Labor Department modified the rule in a bid to satisfy opponents. The agency made it clear it would exempt children who worked on farms owned or operated by their parents, even if the ownership was part of a complex partnership or corporate agreement.

    That didn't appease farm groups that complained it would upset traditions in which many children work on farms owned by uncles, grandparents and other relatives to reduce costs and learn how a farm operates. The Labor Department said Thursday it was responding to thousands of comments that expressed concern about the impact of the changes on small family-owned farms.
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