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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Cephus you keep harping on this responsible thing...WHAT ABOUT people that just dont know...never learned....sheesh

    I know...I run bitdefender, super antispyware, roguekiller and others...Im never infected for more than a hot minute...but this post isnt meant for ME and YOU...its meant for anyone that just might not know or be computer savvy.....
    Everyone that runs Windows should of learned long ago about such protection schemes, it is not like Viruses are something new and have never been in the news before. True, Media has a tendency to side with Microsoft and just say Computers get infected instead of pointing out that these viruses only affect Windows and not Apple or Linux but any responsible computer owner is aware that a virus may exist and should take precautions if they run Windows.

    If you own any product and don't learn about it, you are the one being irresponsible and it is not the governments job to protect you from the negative affects of that irresponsibility.

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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Cephus you keep harping on this responsible thing...WHAT ABOUT people that just dont know...never learned....sheesh

    I know...I run bitdefender, super antispyware, roguekiller and others...Im never infected for more than a hot minute...but this post isnt meant for ME and YOU...its meant for anyone that just might not know or be computer savvy.....
    That's why it's called personal responsibility, it is the job of the individual to learn about it and take responsible steps to protect it properly. It's not anyone else's job to find them and force them to do it. What you're arguing is a separate standard for people who are too stupid or lazy to get a clue. We have a standard already and one is enough. Either people get educated or people really don't need access to the Internet.
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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Either people get educated or people really don't need access to the Internet.
    I agree. Theres more to life than just intraweb porn

    Well, not really

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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The government does not exist to protect stupid people from themselves.
    To me their only stupid if they know about this and do nothing.... I see the point about informing those who may be ignorant but not stupid.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    To me their only stupid if they know about this and do nothing.... I see the point about informing those who may be ignorant but not stupid.
    Informing, yes. Holding their hands so they don't have to take any responsibility whatsoever, no. Besides, this is stuff that they should have been doing all along and it's virtually impossible, if you're online at all, that you don't know that running an anti-virus is necessary.
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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's called being responsible. I know you don't understand what that means.
    Do you use a Motorola based computer with pre-2003 encryption software and have your files encrypted? Or are you "irresponsible" and deserve to lose all your files?

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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Let the government scan my computer?No thanks.
    They actually don't "scan your computer".

    They simply detect where you get your DNS lookup info from. This is information that is available to every website that you've ever visited.

    But...if you are truly reluctant, you can manually check your system. See instructions here: Detect | DCWG
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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    I've known about this issue for a long time and, even though I take extensive precautions to prevent nasty things happening to my computer, I took the extra precaution of checking for any vulnerability to this virus.

    My computer is clean.

    I commend the OP for making this issue known to the rest of our members. I urge all members to ensure their computers are uninfected. I also urge all members to make their family, friends and others aware of this issue.

    One big problem with viruses and such is that the ignorant can, through their lack of knowledge and failure to protect themselves, make the rest of us more vulnerable. Let's do all we can to protect us all.
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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Informing, yes. Holding their hands so they don't have to take any responsibility whatsoever, no. Besides, this is stuff that they should have been doing all along and it's virtually impossible, if you're online at all, that you don't know that running an anti-virus is necessary.
    I agree with the first part of your statement. However, the second part is technically inaccurate, running an anti-viurs is only necessary if you are using a Windows based system. If you are running Apples Mac OS, Linux, FreeBSD, or a dirivitave of these, then an anti-virus is not necessary as the chance of you acutually getting an effective virus is so small that anti-virus software is a waste of money and system resources. If the threat against these systems rise to level of Microsoft Windows systems, then yes, a anti-virus would be necessary.

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    Re: Infected PCs may lose Internet in July

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I agree with the first part of your statement. However, the second part is technically inaccurate, running an anti-viurs is only necessary if you are using a Windows based system. If you are running Apples Mac OS, Linux, FreeBSD, or a dirivitave of these, then an anti-virus is not necessary as the chance of you acutually getting an effective virus is so small that anti-virus software is a waste of money and system resources. If the threat against these systems rise to level of Microsoft Windows systems, then yes, a anti-virus would be necessary.
    Now that is a load of horse****.

    The reason Linux and FreeBSD are not targeted by virus is simple... no one uses the damn systems other than the hackers so the money potential is extremely limited.

    That is also why Windows is attacked.. money money money. With 90% of the world computing market.. then that is the place to be. That is the same reason Android was targeted first in the mobile wars.. because 55%+ of the smartphone market runs Android... that of course does not exclude iOS attacks and malware. Far from it. In Apple world it was actually Apple that was stealing from users... remember the in app purchase scandal?

    As for Mac... it is the most insecure OS out there.

    DailyTech - Apple's OS X is First OS to be Hacked at This Year's Pwn2Own

    Apple, Oracle, Google Lead Major Vendors with Software Vulnerabilities in Q1, Security Report Says | PCWorld

    Malware and virus attacks against Mac and iOS are exploding and Apple is playing catch up and screwing over its users because they have for years said that they are secure ... horse****. Why? because Mac users are generally more wealthy and ignorant, so they are easy targets. Now the only hurdle will be the hackers getting over the hump of attacking one of their own (Mac is based on unix/linux type system)... but money talks... since Android is also based on unix.

    It took Apple months and only after media started to write about, to fix a java exploit that had at least infected 600k Macs... despite Sun Systems fixing the exploit in general long ago.. Apple knew the exploit was part of their system, but did nothing. And the problem is still infecting Macs on a daily basis, because Apples solutions are half hearted. It took Apple years to fix exploits (and still have not fully) in Safari, exploits that Google were busted using. Who got hammered on this news? Google of course, even though security experts had told Apple about the issue, both publicly and privately over 2 years earlier.

    Apple has no security culture, both in the company but also among the users. iTunes accounts are hacked all the time and Apple does little about it and the media covers for them. And this lax on security based on idiotic marketing ploys is now going to bite Apple and its fanboys and sadly its users in the collective arse. Already security companies are reporting that at least 20% of macs are infected with malware made for windows... why is that important? Because all it takes is to rewrite the code for mac and you got yourself a serious problem. That malware should never be on Mac Pcs if they were so secure..... but it is. It dont work, but it does not exactly fill people with confidence about Mac security...

    But regardless... in Denmark we have a saying in the PC business... Fejl 40.. Error 40... the error is sitting 40 cm from the computer screen.... aka the user. It does not matter if it is Windows or Linux or MacOS... it is the user that is more than often the security flaw, not the OS.. unless you are on Mac, where security updates are slow as hell.
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