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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I have a simple rule....

    See the mofo. Shoot the mofo and quit thinking about it.

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    So if someone is on your porch you are just going to shoot them? Without thinking?
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What's sad is that these teens and one dad didnt' have the decency to respect anyone in the neighborhood - to the point of the cops needing to be called over the noise of a party going on with underaged drinking involved while everyone else was minding their own quiet business trying to sleep for the night.

    What's sad and dangerous is that other people believe they have the right to go onto your property - on your porch - in the middle of the night - after they spent the night causing a ruckus and disturbing the entire neighborhood.

    What's sad and dangerous is that apparently some people think that someone going onto your property - on your porch - in the middle of the night after disturbing the peace abd having the cops called on you doesn't raise any sense of alarm - at all - and would best you just hide in the corner of your livingroom from things that go bump in the night.

    Sad and dangerous - The kid should have known better. Likely: he DID know better and decided he didn't give a ****. If they tried - remotely tried - to just be decent law abiding nice people none of it ever would have happened - the cops never would have been called - there wouldn't have been a party going on - and one teen wouldn't have been skulking around on a porch making himself a target of suspicion and ultimately the target of someone's protective firearm.

    We live in an armed society - use your brains.
    None of this addresses what I said. The party has nothing to do with what I said, the kid "knowing better" has nothing to do with what I said and I certainly never suggested that people should "hide in the corner when someone's on your property". I said that I value human life even if it's on my property, that I believe in responsible gun ownership and I believe in using weapons as a last resort. I also said, "if they tried to enter my house or pointed a gun at me, I would shoot them" which is the farthest thing from "hiding in a corner." Consequently, your entire response to me was a complete, sad and epic FAIL.

    Jesus Christ. It's like I can't even find a poster anymore who's capable of addressing what is written instead of going on tangents and distorting posts. This place is getting more overrun with pathetic nonsense by the minute. Just disagree or agree. You don't have to deflect and distort in order to make a point.

    I'll post what I said again in the form of simple, easy to understand questions to see if you can muster up enough honesty to address what I actually said: Do you believe in responsible gun ownership? Do you believe in shooting as a last resort? Do you believe in the value of human life even it's on your property?
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Screw him. The dumbass should not have entered someone else's enclosed porch, late at night. In the dark it is hard to know what someone's intent is, and best to assume to the worst.

    Give him a Darwin award and move on.
    This is such a gross post. While I agree with the "it's best to assume the worst" part since that's necessary for safety, the complete disregard for a human life being taken is despicable.

    I started out on this board with a pretty liberal, in the literal sense, view on gun rights. I wanted some restrictions for severe mental illness and gun registration. I was definitely for things like Castle Doctrine and all that and at the beginning of the Martin/Zimmerman case, I had no problems with laws like Stand Your Ground. However, my time spent on this board reading so many posts like this has completely changed that mindset.

    I based my original position on the assumption that most gun owners thought like me that killing others was a necessary evil rather than a seemingly frivolous, almost amusing thing where we joke about "Darwin awards" and make callous remarks like "screw him". So ****ing sick. It appears that it's not just the criminals who have a low regard for human life.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    So if someone is on your porch you are just going to shoot them? Without thinking?
    I'm thinking...

    It's the guy on my porch thats not thinking

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I'm thinking...

    It's the guy on my porch thats not thinking
    So if someone is on your porch, you are just going to think and then shoot them?

    Look at all these responsible gun owners we got here.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This is such a gross post. While I agree with the "it's best to assume the worst" part since that's necessary for safety, the complete disregard for a human life being taken is despicable.

    I started out on this board with a pretty liberal, in the literal sense, view on gun rights. I wanted some restrictions for severe mental illness and gun registration. I was definitely for things like Castle Doctrine and all that and at the beginning of the Martin/Zimmerman case, I had no problems with laws like Stand Your Ground. However, my time spent on this board reading so many posts like this has completely changed that mindset.

    I based my original position on the assumption that most gun owners thought like me that killing others was a necessary evil rather than a seemingly frivolous, almost amusing thing where we joke about "Darwin awards" and make callous remarks like "screw him". So ****ing sick. It appears that it's not just the criminals who have a low regard for human life.
    You're going to always vote liberal and thereby vote against guns. Don't try to use Goshins' post as some lame excuse for you to justify your true feelings.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're going to always vote liberal and thereby vote against guns. Don't try to use Goshins' post as some lame excuse for you to justify your true feelings.
    You obviously know nothing about the diversity of liberal opinions on guns if you think "voting liberal" is synonymous with "voting against guns". Your posts are always a complete fail.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    So if someone is on your porch, you are just going to think and then shoot them?
    If you are in my home (including an enclosed porch) without my permission, YES there is a very good chance you're going to get shot. You MIGHT get one momentary opportunity to comply with my order to place yourself in a surrendered position (facing away from me, face down on the ground, ankles crossed and fingers interlaced on the top of the head. The instant you do not do so, or you move from that position, will be your last. That's IF I'm in a generous enough mood to even give you that opportunity.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Wait, there is an underage party going on and they are troubled by the neighbor calling the police?

    kid young adult breaks and enters, gets shot, sad, but one shouldn't be trespassing like this, how would the neighbor know the kids intentions?
    Well, considering that the shooter had just spoken to the cops six minutes prior to the shooting, the most reasonable assumption would be that the commotion in his enclosed porch was connected with the party next door. It sounds like more of an occasion to go downstairs and tell the kid to get the **** off his property, then to go downstairs and shoot him. It would be different if some OTHER neighbor had called the cops about the party, and the shooter had no idea what was going on...under those circumstances I'd find it a lot more plausible that he thought he might be in danger. But as it stands, he knew goddamn well that there was a party going on next door. A reasonable person might conclude that the kid on his property was causing some teenage mischief, but a reasonable person would not conclude under those circumstances that his life was in danger.

    This is why "castle doctrine" laws are ****ing retarded.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, considering that the shooter had just spoken to the cops six minutes prior to the shooting, the most reasonable assumption would be that the commotion in his enclosed porch was connected with the party next door. It sounds like more of an occasion to go downstairs and tell the kid to get the **** off his property, then to go downstairs and shoot him. It would be different if some OTHER neighbor had called the cops about the party, and the shooter had no idea what was going on...under those circumstances I'd find it a lot more plausible that he thought he might be in danger. But as it stands, he knew goddamn well that there was a party going on next door. A reasonable person might conclude that the kid on his property was causing some teenage mischief, but a reasonable person would not conclude under those circumstances that his life was in danger.

    This is why "castle doctrine" laws are ****ing retarded.



    Could be the party goer was coming for retribution for calling the cops. Could be he's coming to rape his wife, could be he's coming to steal his ****. Castle doctrine laws are our right, it's a sad unfortunate tragedy, (one that this thread started and the article abused with the stupid "another unarmed black man killed" idiocy).


    Let me ask you a question, if someone breaks into my house, when would it be ok for me to shoot them? before, during or after he tries to rape and kill my wife? Steal my ****? when? and when can I assume he is coming to do his worst and shoot him? on my porch? through my window? when?



    Oh and, this "kid" is 20 years old, he's an adult.
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