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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That takes into account all sorts of assumptions about the situation: assuming the person on the porch was unarmed. Assuming they wouldn't attack you if you yelled out for the police to arrive - and so on.

    My assumption = immediate and grave danger.
    If you're inside of your house and someone is outside of your house crouched in a corner, you aren't in immediate or grave danger at all.

    And no, my position does not make any of those assumptions. My position takes into account that the person might be armed and might react negatively to someone yelling for the police. My position is based on knowledge, not assumptions. You are in your house, the potential threat is outside of your house in the back and the police are outside of your house in the front. Those three circumstances show that you are not in immediate danger and that you have access to people trained to handle potential threats. If you shoot the person, your actions are question and perhaps irresponsible.

    If I were in that situation as has been described by the article, I would have either opened a front window/door and shouted to the police or I would have called 911 again and told them to tell the police outside of my house the situation. I would have my gun and watch the person from a place where I know they can't see me and if they tried to come into my house or if they pointed a weapon, I would shoot them. That would be the responsible thing to do and you shouldn't have a gun unless you know you can think that way in these situations.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If you're inside of your house and someone is outside of your house crouched in a corner, you aren't in immediate or grave danger at all.

    And no, my position does not make any of those assumptions. My position takes into account that the person might be armed and might react negatively to someone yelling for the police. My position is based on knowledge, not assumptions. You are in your house, the potential threat is outside of your house in the back and the police are outside of your house in the front. Those three circumstances show that you are not in immediate danger and that you have access to people trained to handle potential threats. If you shoot the person, your actions are question and perhaps irresponsible.

    If I were in that situation as has been described by the article, I would have either opened a front window/door and shouted to the police or I would have called 911 again and told them to tell the police outside of my house the situation. I would have my gun and watch the person from a place where I know they can't see me and if they tried to come into my house or if they pointed a weapon, I would shoot them. That would be the responsible thing to do and you shouldn't have a gun unless you know you can think that way in these situations.
    Hmm - considering my house and where I live: I'd say that if someone is anywhere on my property we have a serious issue. . . definitely have an issue if you're on my porch at night - so be smart and stay off my lawn and we won't have a problem at all.

    Normal people who don't have ill intentions don't hide on people's porches in the dark in the wee hours of the morning after causing trouble for the entire neighborhood all night: waiting to jump out and strike the neighbor who ruined all the fun. If anyone's that dumb they get what they have coming for just being a moron.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If you're inside of your house and someone is outside of your house crouched in a corner, you aren't in immediate or grave danger at all.

    And no, my position does not make any of those assumptions. My position takes into account that the person might be armed and might react negatively to someone yelling for the police. My position is based on knowledge, not assumptions. You are in your house, the potential threat is outside of your house in the back and the police are outside of your house in the front. Those three circumstances show that you are not in immediate danger and that you have access to people trained to handle potential threats. If you shoot the person, your actions are question and perhaps irresponsible.

    If I were in that situation as has been described by the article, I would have either opened a front window/door and shouted to the police or I would have called 911 again and told them to tell the police outside of my house the situation. I would have my gun and watch the person from a place where I know they can't see me and if they tried to come into my house or if they pointed a weapon, I would shoot them. That would be the responsible thing to do and you shouldn't have a gun unless you know you can think that way in these situations.
    From a homeowners perspective, its early in the AM, you hear sounds as if someone is breaking into your home, you go to investigate and find an unknown individual facing you crouched in a corner. Now...of course...no burglar or rapist would crouch in a corner attempting to avoid detection, so the homeowners first thought MUST be, "ha! innocent black kid! I get to murder him!" and not "****!!! Some stranger is trying to break into my house and is crouching to avoid detection! I dont know if he is armed, unarmed, means to duct tape me to a chair and beat my family or what! ****!!!"

    Nah...its gotta be "yay...I get to kill me a black kid."

    Bloody hell...

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's always some innocent black dude arriving at the home of a racist white pig, and then gets himself shot.
    To be fair, instances where it's clear cut that the person who was shot was a bad guy, well that's not as titillating as when there's a possibility of scandal, of wrongful homicide. So it's only natural that what is hyped and re-told are the events with more sordidness. It's what we the public respond to.

    Imho, if Martin had been found with a pistol himself, or he and Zim had a shoot-out, or some other thing that suitably incriminated one or the other of them and duly simplified the story, we wouldn't have had such a reaction to the tale. It would have been local news that "faded away" over time.

    So, I suspect that our perception as the news consuming public of the frequency of certain events and types of events is skewed by the tendency for the various media people to highlight sensational cases with a high likelihood of garnering our attention.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Except they could go to prison? Key difference.
    It is baffling to me how many people don't get this point. Yes, black people kill black people. Black people go to jail for killing black people. Black people kill white people. Black people go to jail for killing white people.

    All is well and good.

    The question is this: When was the last time you ever heard of a black person killing an unarmed white person and being acquitted of the crime or not being arrested for it?

    Furthermore, here's an example of a case where it seems obvious that the stand your ground law SHOULD apply, and Lo and Behold! we have a black man in jail for shooting and killing a white man...

    When "stand your ground" fails - Crime - Salon.com
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Black, White, Green, etc.... doesn't make any difference. If you're in my home unanounced and unrequested there is a VERY HIGH likelihood that you are going to end up with holes in your body. There is also a very high likelihood that you are not going to get a warning before you get perforated.

    Moral of the story.... Don't be in someone else's house unless you're invited into it.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hmm - considering my house and where I live: I'd say that if someone is anywhere on my property we have a serious issue. . . definitely have an issue if you're on my porch at night - so be smart and stay off my lawn and we won't have a problem at all.

    Normal people who don't have ill intentions don't hide on people's porches in the dark in the wee hours of the morning after causing trouble for the entire neighborhood all night: waiting to jump out and strike the neighbor who ruined all the fun. If anyone's that dumb they get what they have coming for just being a moron.
    If that's how you see it, then that's how you see it. However, I consider that viewpoint very unfortunate if it isn't qualified by "and I'll be as responsible as I can with any weapon that I own." I'm just someone who values human life even if it's on my lawn at night. I'm also someone who understands that potential threats are not always actual threats. Because of that, I'll repeat the part of my post that you completely ignored:

    If I were in that situation as has been described by the article, I would have either opened a front window/door and shouted to the police or I would have called 911 again and told them to tell the police outside of my house the situation. I would have my gun and watch the person from a place where I know they can't see me and if they tried to come into my house or if they pointed a weapon, I would shoot them. That would be the responsible thing to do and you shouldn't have a gun unless you know you can think that way in these situations.

    I believe in responsible use of weapons and I also value human life. Because of that, I would consider it irresponsible for me to leave my house and kill someone when I could have prevented the death of someone and also not put myself (or wife) in unnecessary danger simply by calling the police. I believe in shooting as a last resort not a first one. If you disagree fine, but I think that's a sad and dangerous point of view
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The argument isn't that you shouldn't be able to defend yourself. The argument is that when someone is outside of your house, you are inside of your house, the police are only a few hundred yards away and you leave to your house and then kill the person outside of it, your actions are questionable and perhaps irresponsible since there was no immediate threat to your safety and since those capable of handling the threat were so close.
    Except that those who were "capable of handling the threat" were incapable of breaking up an underage drinking party after trying for 45 fricken minutes. With that kind of law enforcement around, I think I'd be inclined to rely on myself.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Except that those who were "capable of handling the threat" were incapable of breaking up an underage drinking party after trying for 45 fricken minutes. With that kind of law enforcement around, I think I'd be inclined to rely on myself.
    And, of course, we must always remember that SCOTUS has ruled the police have no duty to protect.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Bo Morrison Shot And Killed Under Stand Your Ground Law (DETAILS) | Global Grind

    Just saw this story. Not sure what to make of it. Different circumstances, was night, guy might have seriously freaked out when he shot the guy.
    Where is Al Sharpton when we need him! Maybe he is waiting for the weather to warm up a bit, then he can leave Florida and head up there.

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