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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!!

    Hypothetical much???
    Well when someone says they will shoot regardless of the situation, if you add context to it, maybe they reconsider their position. I personally have never been in a situation where I thought man I wish I had my gun on me where I wasn't killing an animal or skeet or a target. The only way I could ever see myself killing a person with a gun is if they entered my house. If they entered my house even if they were drunk and thought it was there house or something, I would likely fire at the least one in their shins.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, that's pretty much our interpretation because we're on a highly partisan political debate site. And, I'd remind you, that "just generally being a dick to people" is not reserved for the Right. IRL, most people could care less.
    Well I actually post what I believe, so I would assume it is the same for them irl. I'm not calling a coworker crazy for believing something ultra conservative. In real life I actually am a little more conservative than I am on here though. At least, I am more Kentucky Democrat than mainstream democrat, but it appears to me as well that most conservatives on here would still claim me to be some kind of socialist.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I don't think you are serious. Let's say it's dark out and raining. A guy a mile down the road breaks down and has no cell phone reception and he comes by your house. He knocks and no answer, but he realizes that you have wifi, uses it, and is texting someone for help. You happen to wake up and you see him standing out there, so instead of yelling "Hey who goes there?", calling the police, or hell firing a warning shot you go right for the kill?
    so he is on my property AND he's stealing from me!!?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Baby? Sorry dude I'm straight. What is my cause? I'm just curious. Had it been a white guy shot by a black guy, I would be just as indifferent on it. I totally understand someone breaking and entering your house but someone just hanging out on your porch, I would load a gun, call a cop and point the gun at the door while I rock in my rocking chair.

    Do you actually read anything I ever post, or do you just care about your cause and nothing more?
    John...funny how you feel the need to frequently assert your "straightness".

    How many threads have you started regarding black on black genocide? Yet you feel the need to start a thread regarding a poor black victim murdered most heinously.

    Sad...very sad. 8 black people a DAY Die by genocide. And ignored. Oh yes...you 'care'

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If you're inside of your house and someone is outside of your house crouched in a corner, you aren't in immediate or grave danger at all.
    Completely untrue, a young person in relatively good athletic shape can cover distances of 100 yards in around 4-6 seconds, with enough strength can kick through a moderately heavy door in around that time, and if it has windows 2 seconds to wrap hand, break glass, and unlock the latch. There isn't a whole lot of time to figure out intent, degree of danger faced, or if there is a non-violent solution.

    And no, my position does not make any of those assumptions. My position takes into account that the person might be armed and might react negatively to someone yelling for the police. My position is based on knowledge, not assumptions. You are in your house, the potential threat is outside of your house in the back and the police are outside of your house in the front. Those three circumstances show that you are not in immediate danger and that you have access to people trained to handle potential threats. If you shoot the person, your actions are question and perhaps irresponsible.
    To add to the above, the homeowner has no clue whether this is a scared kid trying to avoid arrest or a professional burgler, a person who knows how to break and enter can do so quickly, a stranger should be assumed an assailant and an assailant should be presumed to have the advantage.

    If I were in that situation as has been described by the article, I would have either opened a front window/door and shouted to the police or I would have called 911 again and told them to tell the police outside of my house the situation. I would have my gun and watch the person from a place where I know they can't see me and if they tried to come into my house or if they pointed a weapon, I would shoot them. That would be the responsible thing to do and you shouldn't have a gun unless you know you can think that way in these situations.
    Relying on the police is your option, however you are asking them to cover a greater distance than the assailant has to with minimum protection at your back, I would rather end the threat immediately if my hand were forced(may that never happen).
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    So if someone is on your porch, you are just going to think and then shoot them?

    Look at all these responsible gun owners we got here.
    That's something that you or anyone else will have to find out...if, I see you on my front porch

    My point is.....Don't **** around on my front porch. Just stay away and avoid being another stat

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Completely untrue, a young person in relatively good athletic shape can cover distances of 100 yards in around 4-6 seconds, with enough strength can kick through a moderately heavy door in around that time, and if it has windows 2 seconds to wrap hand, break glass, and unlock the latch. There isn't a whole lot of time to figure out intent, degree of danger faced, or if there is a non-violent solution.
    Ok I have to be real picky here. The fastest 40 yard dash in Pro Football ever recorded was Bo Jackson who did it in 4.12 seconds in 1986 in the Superdome in New Orleans. If someone is covering 100 yards in 4-6 seconds, they are the fastest person alive and has a helluva career in professional sports.
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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Completely untrue, a young person in relatively good athletic shape can cover distances of 100 yards in around 4-6 seconds, with enough strength can kick through a moderately heavy door in around that time, and if it has windows 2 seconds to wrap hand, break glass, and unlock the latch. There isn't a whole lot of time to figure out intent, degree of danger faced, or if there is a non-violent solution.
    That could happen, but that's an unlikely scenario, I think. Moreover, if you think that scenario is a possibility and you believe that the person outside is a threat, then it doesn't make sense to willfully establish contact with that threat by opening your door and then shooting him, particularly when 1) the police are right outside 2) you know a bunch of dumb teenagers are having a party.

    To add to the above, the homeowner has no clue whether this is a scared kid trying to avoid arrest or a professional burgler, a person who knows how to break and enter can do so quickly, a stranger should be assumed an assailant and an assailant should be presumed to have the advantage.
    If you have such a fear, why go outside, particularly when the police are right outside? To me, shooting is a last resort not only because I would rather not kill someone unless I have to, but because I'm putting myself and my family in danger by opening a door that a criminal can enter. Just keep it closed, keep your gun and call the police who are right outside your house.

    Relying on the police is your option, however you are asking them to cover a greater distance than the assailant has to with minimum protection at your back, I would rather end the threat immediately if my hand were forced(may that never happen).
    Not in this case, I don't think. If my door is closed, I have my fun and the police are right outside my house, it's reasonable to try them first before opening a door, making myself vulnerable and shooting someone.

    *Keep in mind that my argument is, in part, based on the fact that I've been in a similar situation before and no one died because we called the police instead of going outside and handling it ourselves. I just see shooting as a last resort. But even though we disagree, thanks for actually addressing what I said instead of going on some tangent.

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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Ok I have to be real picky here. The fastest 40 yard dash in Pro Football ever recorded was Bo Jackson who did it in 4.12 seconds in 1986 in the Superdome in New Orleans. If someone is covering 100 yards in 4-6 seconds, they are the fastest person alive and has a helluva career in professional sports.
    The indoor world record for 50m is 5.56 seconds. 50 meters is about 164 feet, or about 55 yards.

    The world record for 100m is 9.58 seconds, so about 109 yards. 4-6 seconds would be well beyond anybody but a world class sprinter, and even for them is not yet possible.


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    Re: Another Unarmed Black Man Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Ok I have to be real picky here. The fastest 40 yard dash in Pro Football ever recorded was Bo Jackson who did it in 4.12 seconds in 1986 in the Superdome in New Orleans. If someone is covering 100 yards in 4-6 seconds, they are the fastest person alive and has a helluva career in professional sports.
    Yeah, I was a little off on that. My overall point is that the assailant has less distance to cover than your protection(police) and can do so in a very short period of time leaving little margin of error. 100 yard dashes average is around 12-13 seconds, in reality though if someone is on the enclosed porch you probably are looking at 10 feet for an average home which can be covered by a criminal very quickly.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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