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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Maybe you could just answer the question instead of running around waving your arms.


    I don't see how drug testing is going to make people responsible. That's your fallacy.
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    this is a good idea. many of those in these programs have a deficit of life skills and need to be steered in the right direction.

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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Irrelevent but no. There is a huge difference between procreation and drug use. To compare the two is one huge strawman.
    You can't ignore that children need food and shelter. It's a reality you would prefer to ignore. Drug testing doesn't make people responsible.
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    Military, law enforcement, and many civilian jobs require drug test. Why shouldn't welfare recipients be required to take them?

    I don't buy the " what about the kids argument" if a welfare recipient is buying drugs they are willing taking away from what was intended to buy food, shelter, and clothing for their family.

    What has happened to personal responsibility?
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    this is a good idea. many of those in these programs have a deficit of life skills and need to be steered in the right direction.
    You think they'll go in the right direction if assistance is cut off?
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    OH look..another "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" post. Maybe if mom spent money on food instead of that joint the kids wouldn't "starve"? Maybe if mom hadn't smoked that joint then she would have gotten that assistance?

    WTH happened to the concept of personal responsibility in this nation?
    Personal responsibility is still around, but when discussing government actions, it's more irrational to focus on what the government can do rather than what it cannot do. It can't force people to be personally responsible so that doesn't even factor into this discussion.

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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Military, law enforcement, and many civilian jobs require drug test. Why shouldn't welfare recipients be required to take them?

    I don't buy the " what about the kids argument" if a welfare recipient is buying drugs they are willing taking away from what was intended to buy food, shelter, and clothing for their family.
    They most likely sell drugs to support their habit. So in reality, it may not be taking away from necessities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    You think they'll go in the right direction if assistance is cut off?
    probably not but we have limited resources and we unfortunately can only help those we can afford to.

    its one of our society's failures but resources are finite

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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    You can't ignore that children need food and shelter. It's a reality you would prefer to ignore. Drug testing doesn't make people responsible.
    Don't need to ignore it. There are plenty of private charities that a person can go to in order to get help feeding their children.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    probably not but we have limited resources and we unfortunately can only help those we can afford to.

    its one of our society's failures but resources are finite
    And studies have shown that drug testing would use up more of those finite resources.
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