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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Like incarcerating people for marijuana possession, cultivation, and distribution?
    I'm all in favor of not putting people in prison for possession. I'm also in favor of putting every single dealer, without exception, to death.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Side Two: If you don't let a mom collect welfare, she's going to use drugs anyway, so her kids are going to go hungry (hungrier).
    Then you take the kids away and at least they're not raised to repeat the mom's mistakes. Works for me.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm all in favor of not putting people in prison for possession. I'm also in favor of putting every single dealer, without exception, to death.
    Capitol punishment for dealing a product seems a bit extreme dont you think?

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    Then you take the kids away and at least they're not raised to repeat the mom's mistakes. Works for me.
    That may work for you since it is not your liberty that is being **** all over. And who is going to pay for that intrusion into parental rights? How exactly will your idea make life any better for the children taken away from their parent(s)?
    What impression would these children have of the Government that ripped their life apart. I could see an authoritarian government doing what you are suggesting but it does not fit well with a government that is supposed to be about freedom and liberty.

    The fact is that alcohol is no worse than any other drug. Yes any drug. Alcohol is highly addictive and has very bad long term effects. People steal to support their habit of getting drunk. The fact that alcohol is legal while other drugs are illegal is an obvious hypocrisy that cannot be denied. Or better yet explained with any real facts, by those that support it.

    Personally I support the legal right to sell drugs for profit. You know after all that is what we call Capitalism. Why should the Government control the sell of drugs? Wouldnt that be closer to Communism?

    But seriously killing drug dealers is never going to be a viable solution unless you consider a government that kills business people good. Sure many drug dealers are bad people but not all of them. Just like there are many bad store owners but killing store owners is a bad idea as well.

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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's called, you want money, you stay clean. Don't stay clean? Starve.
    And how much money do you get from the government? What have you obtained that was in some way subsidized through taxpayer dollars? It's pretty ridiculous I think to try to hold this to a group; particularly now in middle of an ongoing recession. This is a deflection topic, nothing more. It’s like a dog and a ball. Dog really wants the ball, but you can “throw” the ball while keeping hold of it and the dog will run off after the imaginary ball. Don’t be the dog. There are far greater issues at stake than welfare recipients doing drugs.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And how much money do you get from the government? What have you obtained that was in some way subsidized through taxpayer dollars? It's pretty ridiculous I think to try to hold this to a group; particularly now in middle of an ongoing recession. This is a deflection topic, nothing more. It’s like a dog and a ball. Dog really wants the ball, but you can “throw” the ball while keeping hold of it and the dog will run off after the imaginary ball. Don’t be the dog. There are far greater issues at stake than welfare recipients doing drugs.
    Yeah, like welfare recipients that shouldn't be receiving welfare, gaming and playing the system.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yeah, like welfare recipients that shouldn't be receiving welfare, gaming and playing the system.
    Lots of that does certainly happen. There is call for reform, no doubt. I wouldn't say keep the system as it is. I see no purpose, however, in piss testing every applicant. It's a waste of time and money while there are far greater things we should be focusing on. Like the ever expanding government against our rights and liberties.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Like the ever expanding government against our rights and liberties.
    Yeah, the problem is the people that make the laws that could stop such a thing, also made the laws would expanded government and their own power.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's called, you want money, you stay clean. Don't stay clean? Starve.
    As if drug testing would mean that people stay clean.
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Capitol punishment for dealing a product seems a bit extreme dont you think?
    Obviously I don't think that or I wouldn't have said it in the first place.

    That may work for you since it is not your liberty that is being **** all over. And who is going to pay for that intrusion into parental rights? How exactly will your idea make life any better for the children taken away from their parent(s)?
    We have laws for a reason. If you break the laws, you pay the penalty. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
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    Re: Deal OKs bill requiring drug testing for welfare recipients

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    As if drug testing would mean that people stay clean.
    If you don't stay clean, and testing would find out if they did, you lose your benefits. Geez, are you that dense?
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