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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It could also be a simple translation issue.. would not be the first time.

    Saying that though, he does have a point about the hypocrisy aspect on the 10 million dollar bounty put out by the US...
    No, he doesn't. That's a stupid analogy, and you know it.

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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The need to support Islamic extremism is simply irresistible with you folks, isn't it?
    I's a knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Islamic extremism. They simply can't help it.

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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And the usual cast of suspects races to the defense of anybody engaging in vile, anti-American actions. As predictable as the sun rising in the East.
    Wouldn't be nice if once, just once one of the British posters would react to such an Islamist call to murder by saying a simple "Man, is that ever effed up?!"

    But what do they actually do, each and every one in this thread and everywhere else?.........defend, defend, defend.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't see why I should have to risk my life for leaders I don't want that perpetuate human rights abuses.

    I think that Presidents of the United States should be just as afraid of the consequences of human rights abuses and war crimes as the leader of any other country.
    You shouldnt. The military does. Our rules are in place to prevent anarchy and a military overthrow of governors and leaders we 'dont like'. You cant join and provide honorable and faithful service under one president but decide you dont want to play just because a different president with different ideals and values is elected. So...again..very correct. YOU shouldnt join the military. Those that do...you have 1 opportunity every four years to say 'no'.

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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The need to support Islamic extremism is simply irresistible with you folks, isn't it?
    Please point out where i have done so. I merely said that the policies I mentioned have provided a boost to Islamic extremism across the world (as many high profile individuals in both British and American intelligence have pointed out). I don't recall saying this was a good thing and certainly do not believe it to be so. And if he is defending this person then it certainly is effed up but im withholding judgement for now. Possibly he's simply pointing out double standards where the U.S and UK brake the law, which is fair enough imo. Regardless the Labour Party are innocent here.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You shouldnt. The military does. Our rules are in place to prevent anarchy and a military overthrow of governors and leaders we 'dont like'. You cant join and provide honorable and faithful service under one president but decide you dont want to play just because a different president with different ideals and values is elected. So...again..very correct. YOU shouldnt join the military. Those that do...you have 1 opportunity every four years to say 'no'.
    Constitutionally speaking if the president is ordering them to disobey the law (including the UN charter which counts as part of the constitution ,as a treaty that the U.S is a signatory to) then they have the right to disobey orders.

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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Just been listening to Lord Ahmed on News 24. He said he never had an interview with that paper and there were plenty of other papers there and none of them suggested he said the OP. Further he said there is a tape of what he said so tough luck he can show he did not say this. He is quite gobsmacked at the way people have chosen to believe this without checking it was correct first.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Constitutionally speaking if the president is ordering them to disobey the law (including the UN charter which counts as part of the constitution ,as a treaty that the U.S is a signatory to) then they have the right to disobey orders.
    The UN Charter does not, and will never, supercede the Constitution of the United States or the laws. Unlike you in Europe, we will not turn our sovereignty over to a pack of foreigners.

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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Just been listening to Lord Ahmed on News 24. He said he never had an interview with that paper and there were plenty of other papers there and none of them suggested he said the OP. Further he said there is a tape of what he said so tough luck he can show he did not say this. He is quite gobsmacked at the way people have chosen to believe this without checking it was correct first.
    Well, considering the source and the location, it still seems very believable to everybody except the confirmed anti-American Islamic extremist bunch.

    I'm sure the Labour Party 'investigation' will completely exonerate him however.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers 10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Constitutionally speaking if the president is ordering them to disobey the law (including the UN charter which counts as part of the constitution ,as a treaty that the U.S is a signatory to) then they have the right to disobey orders.
    Except its all very relative, isnt it? Was Bush a 'war criminal' for detaining people at GITMO? IS Obama?

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