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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This guy is pretty outrageous. A few years back apparently he was texting at the wheel, and had an accident which killed someone. He spent 16 days in jail, then strings were pulled and he was released. I suspect he said exactly what is being alleged. I also doubt they'll be able to prove it, since witnesses are all in Pakistan.
    Sorry DiAnna, but texting at the wheel, undoubtedly criminally stupid as it is, does not make one more likely to engage in Islamist propaganda.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This doesn't. Why would a Pakistani paper make something up about a Pakistani Muslim defending a Pakistani Islamist group and making statements against US Presidents?
    As I said before, who knows? There might be no reason at all, there might be every reason. Do you know anything about the paper in question? Its politics, its link with other groups, its relationship with Lord Ahmed? If you do, I suggest you post it. Until and unless we know more we can't even speculate. The "why would they lie?" argument carries no weight unless you know who 'they' are.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This guy is pretty outrageous. A few years back apparently he was texting at the wheel, and had an accident which killed someone. He spent 16 days in jail, then strings were pulled and he was released. I suspect he said exactly what is being alleged. I also doubt they'll be able to prove it, since witnesses are all in Pakistan.
    He was found to have been texting before the accident but he wasn't responsible for the accident or death

    The sentencing judge, Mr Justice Wilkie, made it clear his text messaging had finished two minutes before the accident took place and was not connected.

    Martyn Gombar, 28, a Slovakian who was living in Leigh, Lancashire, died when Lord Ahmed's Jaguar hit an Audi car which had stopped in the fast lane of the motorway.

    Subsequent tests showed Mr Gombar had been drinking and crashed his car into the central reservation, spinning it round.


    As Lord Ahmed approached the Audi it was facing the wrong way straddling the two outermost lanes in total darkness.

    Allowing the peer's appeal Lady Justice Hallett said there was "little or nothing" Lord Ahmed could have done to avoid the collision.

    Lord Ahmed was knocked unconscious for a while but when he came to he telephoned the emergency services and "risked his life trying to flag down other vehicles to stop them colliding with the Audi or his car".
    Lord Ahmed freed on appeal after text messaging behind the wheel - Telegraph
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    As I said before, who knows? There might be no reason at all, there might be every reason. Do you know anything about the paper in question? Its politics, its link with other groups, its relationship with Lord Ahmed? If you do, I suggest you post it. Until and unless we know more we can't even speculate. The "why would they lie?" argument carries no weight unless you know who 'they' are.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Memri is not a reliable source of information. It reports only the news which reflects poorly on Arabs (or in this case Pakistanis) or others of a Muslim persuasion. they trawl the press to cherry-pick quotes then present them in the worst possible light. If it helps Israel politically, then that works for them too, since they were established by an Israeli intelligence Colonel.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Memri is not a reliable source of information. It reports only the news which reflects poorly on Arabs (or in this case Pakistanis) or others of a Muslim persuasion. they trawl the press to cherry-pick quotes then present them in the worst possible light. If it helps Israel politically, then that works for them too, since they were established by an Israeli intelligence Colonel.
    What did they get wrong, in this case?
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And that wiki link tells us what, exactly? What light does it shed on this story? Nada.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    He probably said more or less what he is reported to have said in the link Andalablue gave

    I did not offer a bounty. I said that there have been war crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan and those people who have got strong allegations against them - George W Bush and Tony Blair have been involved in illegal wars and should be brought to justice.

    "I do not think there's anything wrong with that."
    BBC News - Peer suspended after bounty claim

    and it has gone the rounds of chinese whispers and exaggerations.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And that wiki link tells us what, exactly? What light does it shed on this story? Nada.
    You're attacking them as a source, insinuating they may be lying. Why? What reason do you have to think they would, especially now that you know more about them?

    Why is it that you want to disbelieve he said this? At this point, it's pretty obvious that you do.
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    Re: Britain's Lord Nazir Ahmed Offers £10 Million Bounty for Obama, Bush

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    He probably said more or less what he is reported to have said in the link Andalablue gave



    BBC News - Peer suspended after bounty claim

    and it has gone the rounds of chinese whispers and exaggerations.
    The Express Tribune story had very specific quotes, which don't bespeak of "whispers" and "exaggerations."
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