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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I will let Texas decide for Texas.

    How many people, other than those on television shows, actually "come out better people"?
    I dont know maybe you shoulod take a poll! One of the key reasons behind the London riots was because young people in London felt isolated from soceity, left out and without a future. You stick them in prison for 5 years + how do you think they are going to feel when they come out? Obviously in some cases they need to do some seriosu time but on the most part I think cextended community service would be much more effective and would save the tax payer money!

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I haven't read the story but I'm asking this more as a hypothetical rather than a defense of this guy.

    So do you mean that even if he was not personally involved in the theft or property destruction, as in he didn't actually steal anything nor did he destroy anyone's property, you still would find him guilty and imprison him because he was part of the crowd?
    He was hit with three charges and they went lenient on the possession of the Molotov cocktail. Frankly, you get arrested for participating in a right, you get what you deserve. Protesting is one thing. Most of the people werent there protesting, they used an incident as an excuse to be ****heads.

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It was a small part. Perhaps his assets should be seized to make restitution.
    If they could prove which damages he caused, absolutely. And my guess is they would think twice about the next time they decided they felt within thier rights to burn down peoples businesses...people that had no role in the incident.

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In civilized countries arson can be met with deadly force. He was capable of it as he had the instrument of terror in his hand. Should we let the underwear bomber off after two years? It would be a shame to ruin his life. He won't come out as a model citizen either.
    In civilised countries, the concept of rehabilitation should take precedence over punishment. Especially where any transgression does no harm to life and limb.

    How you equate attempting to bring down an aircraft using plastic explosives, with ownership of an unlit petrol bomb, is a matter best known to yourself.

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    In civilised countries, the concept of rehabilitation should take precedence over punishment. Especially where any transgression does no harm to life and limb.
    Let's agree to disagree. If someone I have attachments to is harmed and there is no punishment, only rehabilitation, I will take the matter into my own hands. That is the whole point behind a justice system that punishes. We do not want a return to blood feuds.

    How you equate attempting to bring down an aircraft using plastic explosives, with ownership of an unlit petrol bomb, is a matter best known to yourself.
    I shall hope that you are never hired to connect the dots. Your imagination is severely stunted. In each case the devise was capable of doing horrendous damage including killing people who did not need killing. In neither case was anybody actually harmed. No harm no foul perhaps in your world. In mine if you carry a device intended to destroy property and kill people in a place where, had you effectively used it, property would have been destroyed and people possibly killed, then I believe you ought to be severely punished.

    Does that clear it up for you?

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Let's agree to disagree. If someone I have attachments to is harmed and there is no punishment, only rehabilitation, I will take the matter into my own hands. That is the whole point behind a justice system that punishes. We do not want a return to blood feuds.
    The you can feel good on both counts.

    No one was harmed. And incarceration is punishment.

    I shall hope that you are never hired to connect the dots. Your imagination is severely stunted.


    In each case the devise was capable of doing horrendous damage including killing people who did not need killing. In neither case was anybody actually harmed. No harm no foul perhaps in your world. In mine if you carry a device intended to destroy property and kill people in a place where, had you effectively used it, property would have been destroyed and people possibly killed, then I believe you ought to be severely punished.

    Does that clear it up for you?
    Except the Underwear Bomber confessed he had every intention of slaughtering everyone on board. The judge in this case made admission of his belief, that this guy had no intention of using the petrol bomb.

    Slight difference.

    I find your (bolded) comments most curious, for someone who lives in a nation where firearms are legal.

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    The you can feel good on both counts.

    Except the Underwear Bomber confessed he had every intention of slaughtering everyone on board. The judge in this case made admission of his belief, that this guy had no intention of using the petrol bomb.

    Slight difference.
    Perhaps to you. Do you think the underwear bomber might have said the same thing if he had been captured before he tried to set off his device?

    I find your (bolded) comments most curious, for someone who lives in a nation where firearms are legal.
    I suppose that is the difference between citizens like me and subjects like you. I understand why it would be a curious thing to one who does not think of himself as the sovereign who gives up a little liberty to the federal government for various purposes as outlined in the Constitution. We do not give up the right to bear arms and the right to self defense is never denied.

    Or are you claiming the the Molotov cocktail is a firearm? Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Perhaps to you.
    No. To the courts also.

    Do you think the underwear bomber might have said the same thing if he had been captured before he tried to set off his device?
    Do you think Hitler had a secret interest in the cultivation of mangos?

    I suppose that is the difference between citizens like me and subjects like you. I understand why it would be a curious thing to one who does not think of himself as the sovereign who gives up a little liberty to the federal government for various purposes as outlined in the Constitution. We do not give up the right to bear arms and the right to self defense is never denied.

    Or are you claiming the the Molotov cocktail is a firearm? Awesome.
    It was your definition. You tell me.

    And I wasn't curious about your belief in the right to bear arms. Only your evident confusion concerning the overlap.

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post

    And I wasn't curious about your belief in the right to bear arms. Only your evident confusion concerning the overlap.
    No confusion at all. Except perhaps on your part.

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    Re: Harry Potter actor jailed for 2 years over London riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No confusion at all. Except perhaps on your part.
    That's great. Then perhaps you might condescend to respond to my post in full. Or not. Your call.

    I see you're another practitioner of omitting relevant content. Is this like, a rite of passage in this place, or what? If it's a private joke, I wish someone would let me in on it. I'm beginning to feel paranoid.

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