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O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

rocket88 said:
How many were cast by Republicans?
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Only you would give a ****. Thats why I posted the link to the 8 REPUBLICANS busted in Kentucky. I dont vote GOP. I want it ALL stopped. I get that might be hard for you to grasp.
 
VanceMack said:
Geeezus. I do love you. You are the quintessential mouse giving the bird to the eagle as it is descending down on you in one last act of defiance.
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Could you translate that into common daily english please?
 
VanceMack said:
Only you would give a ****. Thats why I posted the link to the 8 REPUBLICANS busted in Kentucky. I dont vote GOP. I want it ALL stopped. I get that might be hard for you to grasp.
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I'd like it all stopped too. What is anybody proposing that will stop it?
 
haymarket said:
Could you translate that into common daily english please?
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It means that no matter what you will not change your opinion or even slightly admit that you might be wrong because you refuse to look at anything that might skew your world view....basically and nicely put.
 
rocket88 said:
I'd like it all stopped too. What is anybody proposing that will stop it?
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Firing squads...but I'd settle for arrest, conviction (with massive prison sentences for ANYONE convicted of fraudulently registering or voting), universal condemnation, campaign finance reform, voter ID, etc.
 
Deuce said:
Disenfranchisement is very cumbersome.
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it is also very encompassing as allowing people to vote without ID increases fraud and disenfranchises me by making my vote less effective then it should be.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I keep hearing about ID laws "disenfranchising" groups of people. But I have yet to see any proof that it actually does. There are several states with voter ID law's...surely someone can point to one of them and show through links that there are people in that state that have not been allowed to vote because they didn't have an ID?

Sorry but I just cannot believe that voter ID laws disenfranchise anyone. ID's are extremely simple to get and are requirements for damn near anything now a days. From buying cigarettes to renting subsidized appartments to buying a car to getting a bank account...and on and on and on. Hell, I can't even apply for a job or get a bank account without my social security card and an official ID.
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Smoking cigarette, drinking beers or owning a bank account do not form the foundation of a democracy, voting does. The question is: will the law prevent more people from voting then it would prevent fraud. There have been attempts to study the impact though from a partisan point of view:
http://brennan.3cdn.net/34876f1cabd6d0e252_kwm6id7l7.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/e20e4210db075b482b_wcm6ib0hl.pdf

If those numbers are anywhere close to the truth, the requirement can prevent/discourage many more people from voting legitimately than the total number of fraud (of which the ID requirement can only prevent a small part).
 
Kal'Stang said:
[...] Point being is that his purpose was not to commit fraud, but to show how easy it can be to do it. To try and make the point that he didn't actually do it because of the punishment involved completely ignores what his actual intentions were. ]...]
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Point being that since he was afraid of the punishment involved is proof that deterrence works.

Point being that if deterrence works, why pass additional laws?

Unless the small-government liberty-loving patriotic right wing simply wants to make government larger by passing more laws. . . . :2razz:
 
Quag said:
Lots of posturing (both sides) but I'm still waiting for an answer why is requiring voter ID a bad thing?
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Since you support a new regulation (some sort of gov't issued photo voter ID), the burden is upon you to show why it is a good thing.

Good luck :)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Supposedly because it "disenfranchises" a group of people. Apparently there are thousands of people that cannot get ID's....although I have yet to see any proof of that claim.
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Actually you have, but you choose to ignore or discount it (there is a study floating around somewhere, linked in this very thread IIRC, and there are a few anecdotal news reports that have been posted here in the past).

However, as you noted in a previous post, just because there is no proof that it would disenfranchise millions does not meant that it would not disenfranchise millions :2razz:
 
nonpareil said:
Smoking cigarette, drinking beers or owning a bank account do not form the foundation of a democracy, voting does. The question is: will the law prevent more people from voting then it would prevent fraud. There have been attempts to study the impact though from a partisan point of view:
http://brennan.3cdn.net/34876f1cabd6d0e252_kwm6id7l7.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/e20e4210db075b482b_wcm6ib0hl.pdf

If those numbers are anywhere close to the truth, the requirement can prevent/discourage many more people from voting legitimately than the total number of fraud (of which the ID requirement can only prevent a small part).
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Say...some may view this differently...but me...I try to stay positive, look for the positives and see the bright side of life. So...can we take from this that we now do fully accept that there IS INDEED voter fraud (seeing as how I posted 8 separate incidents including over 50 people from a single brief Google search), though we may ultimately disagree on how much actually occurs? Sheesh...it would so nice to be able to finally resolve THAT.
 
VanceMack said:
[...] I am aware that recently several people were convicted of fraud in Indiana for forging names to place Obama on the Indiana primary ballot. [...]
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No, you're not. Better get your tin foil hat tuned up....
 
Karl said:
No, you're not. Better get your tin foil hat tuned up....
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Dont get out much or are you just deliberately and willfully ignorant?
 
VanceMack said:
Where shall we move the goalposts to now? Madison elections supervisor among 8 arrested in voting scheme | Law and Order
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VanceMack said:
Ok...but... Yeah...but... Vote-probe arrests include councilmen - Times Union
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VanceMack said:
but...but...not REALLY convicted of voter fraud...right? voter fraud | voter ID | Brooks County | The Daily Caller
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Absentee ballots, all three links. The proposed voter ID laws would have no effect on any of those cases. It seems the goal post moving is all yours.
 
VanceMack said:
Awwww....sad panda is sad... [...] "Back in April, in a story that did not receive the attention it deserved, a Tunica County, Miss., jury found Lessadolla Sowers, who have been identified as a member of the executive committee of the county’s NAACP chapter, guilty of 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots in the name of others."

Despite What Democrats Claim, Voter Fraud is Real - Peter Roff (usnews.com)
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VanceMack said:
More more more...how do you like it, how do you like it. More more more...

Daytona Beach Commissioner Arrested On Fraud Charges | www.wftv.com
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Again, all absentee ballots, all outside the scope of the proposed voter ID laws. Your skill at failure is award-winning :2razz:
 
Karl said:
Absentee ballots, all three links. The proposed voter ID laws would have no effect on any of those cases. It seems the goal post moving is all yours.
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Voter fraud, dood...voter fraud. Get it? Page after page after page after page after page of voter fraud perpetrated by a few republicans and a WHOLE LOT of democrats.
 
VanceMack said:
yawn.... I know...right...it just NEVER happens...

Illegal alien arrested, charged with voter fraud
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Woo hoo!!! After five failures, you finally got one! One person..... :lamo

VanceMack said:
I dont know...has this been debunked? 900 dead people voting...

Attorney General: 900 Dead People Voted In SC | WYFF Home - WYFF Home
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Yes. There was a thread on it here... weren't you in it?

So, out of some 920 people you claim have committed or been charged with actual voter fraud, you got 1 verified correct so far. Not bad. . . . . :doh . . . . but don't let us stop you now :lamo
 
VanceMack said:
Im sure all of these were just some sort of innocent mistake or oversight...

Dead people voting - Ballotpedia
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Well, for the purposes of your argument, non-existent would be the proper word. From your link: "The extent to which this type of vote fraud occurs is not known."

Furthermore, this is the type of fraud that appears to be more the work of poll workers or election officials rather than walk-in voters.
 
Kal'Stang said:
And you still ignore my point. And you still haven't shown people that are denied voting rights by voter ID laws.
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As you ignore the point that is always brought up when you want to enact a new law -- what is it supposed to prevent, and is that even happening?

If the state makes you pay $20 in order to vote, your voting right has not been denied. However, it is still illegal. How can that be?
 
Karl said:
Woo hoo!!! After five failures, you finally got one! One person..... :lamo



Yes. There was a thread on it here... weren't you in it?

So, out of some 920 people you claim have committed or been charged with actual voter fraud, you got 1 verified correct so far. Not bad. . . . . :doh . . . . but don't let us stop you now :lamo
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It took all of about 3 minutes to link to numerous articles on voter fraud. That hasnt really even scratched the surface and we dont even know how much we dont know about. See...thats your problem...you have so much filthy and disgusting dirty vermin in your ranks that they have cast the stink of distrust on the whole process. You really shouldnt be pissed at conservatives for not trusting you...you should be pissed at your self for having so much filthy and disgusting dirty vermin in your ranks. When people prove they cant be trusted then...guess what...they cant be trusted. So...its a shame...but yes...more and more we are moving to a system that requires you to...gasp...show an ID card. Oh the inhumanity of it all. :lamo
 
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Since you support a new regulation (some sort of gov't issued photo voter ID), the burden is upon you to show why it is a good thing.

Good luck
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Where did I say I support a govt issued photo voter ID? I merely asked where is the problem with requiring ID. I never mentioned Photo just ID. FYI I am Canadian Photo ID is not required just ID but there is push for Photo ID. I have np with this as it doesnt affect anyone. All Canadians have photo ID with their medicare card (adults here, children dont get photos on theirs till they are older, but they don't vote) I know you dont have universal health care in the US. SO you don't have that but I never mentioned photo ID.

Elections Canada Online | Voter Identification at the Polls

Link explains what is acceptable ID

Basically many countries have ID requirements I'm pretty sure it would be a big deal if it caused problems. Since it doesn't I don't understand why it would in the USA. PPL seem very very agressive on this issue which seems so minor and well,sorry, obvious. Yes voting is a right, but only to those who meet the requirements. I fail to see how requiring proof of meeting the requirements can be disenfranchising to anyone.
 
VanceMack said:
Dont get out much or are you just deliberately and willfully ignorant?
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Just wanting to see if you would be foolish enough to bully your way through your research failure.

You were :lamo (the people in question were charged, not convicted). And that's not all -- it was a voter petition, not an election (actual voter fraud).... i.e., a photo voter ID law would not have prevented it.

VanceMack said:
[...] I am aware that recently several people were convicted of fraud in Indiana for forging names to place Obama on the Indiana primary ballot. [...]
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April 03, 2012 -- 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008 presidential race

Read more: 4 Indiana Dems Charged With Election Fraud In 2008 Presidential Race | Fox News
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You've got a round trip ticket on the Fail Train, my man :2razz:
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