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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I think approaching the voter fraud problem from a standpoint of how much is caught is the current wisdom standard for asking why we need it. Should the standard be how much potential is there for abuse? How easy is it to use a voter's identity once its on the rolls, if the abuser knows they either wont be voting or the registration is false in itself?

    This seems to show its pretty easy.
    also from the quote in the OP
    "Holder has maintained that voter fraud is not a major problem in the United States, and that voter ID would not curb voter fraud in any case.
    As Project Veritas has proven, voter fraud is easy and simple--and may be increasingly common in the absence of voter ID laws."

    Showing that something can occur is different than showing that it's a "major problem".
    Does the author not realize this?
    Or does he know and is just hoping that we're too slow to catch on?

    I may be wrong.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Anyone else here ever have to sign anything? A less scrupulous person would have signed his name, taken the ballot and voted. Do you think the poll worker had the signature on file?
    I think that point is that he didn't sign his name because doing so would have been illegal for him to do so. He would had to have broken a law to go further.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Good grief. We're talking about the same level of "security" needed to buy cigarettes, alcohol, cash a check, obtain any license or permit, rent most hotel rooms ..... it is that simple

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    also from the quote in the OP
    "Holder has maintained that voter fraud is not a major problem in the United States, and that voter ID would not curb voter fraud in any case.
    As Project Veritas has proven, voter fraud is easy and simple--and may be increasingly common in the absence of voter ID laws."

    Showing that something can occur is different than showing that it's a "major problem".
    Does the author not realize this?
    Or does he know and is just hoping that we're too slow to catch on?

    So it has to be proven to cross some threshold as a "major problem" before it gets resolved ? In a system so hodgepodge that we lack the mechanisms to even be able to detect it most of the time ?

    The video does not demonstrate just "that it can occur". The video demonstrates how simply it can occur.

    At this point, only a fool, or a liberal, thinks it is not a problem.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    So it has to be proven to cross some threshold as a "major problem" before it gets resolved ?
    That's not exactly what I said.
    It has to be more of a problem than the solution is a more accurate way of condensing and paraphrasing. But that still leaves some out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    At this point, only a fool, or a liberal, thinks it is not a problem.
    Of course it is. The question is about how much of a problem. The "size" of a problem is a factor in determining what is and what is an appropriate solution.

    The OP posed the question as to whether we should focus on the potential for abuse when deciding what is the correct path of action. The answer is that it is only one of many aspects that go into making good decisions about the issue.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    That's not exactly what I said.
    It has to be more of a problem than the solution is a more accurate way of condensing and paraphrasing. But that still leaves some out.

    Of course it is. The question is about how much of a problem. The "size" of a problem is a factor in determining what is and what is an appropriate solution.

    The OP posed the question as to whether we should focus on the potential for abuse when deciding what is the correct path of action. The answer is that it is only one of many aspects that go into making good decisions about the issue.
    No.. Its simple if one lets it be. Many states have voter ID laws in place. And some don't. The problem with finding it out is that the system must police itself. aka Fox in the hen house. What you advocate is that it must first be shown to be a large problem before we implement a simple solution.

    Q: How about we implement the simple solution first ?
    A: One political party, and idle thinkers, do not want it fixed.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No.
    I am quite certain about what I said. It's not really up for debate. It's posted clearly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The problem with finding it out is that the system must police itself. aka Fox in the hen house.
    The people in charge of detecting and prosecuting voter fraud are the people who are committing voter fraud?
    OR did you need a different metaphor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What you advocate is that it must first be shown to be a large problem before we implement a simple solution.
    This is clearly NOT what I am saying. I said that the problem and solution must be commensurate. The only way that we would have to wait for it to be a "big" problem was if the solution was a "big" solution.

    This means knowing how much of a problem there is that could be adequately addressed via voter ID laws.
    If we can't answer that question we can't answer the next question about what is an appropriate response.
    ymmv

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Seems I was spot-on with my "what me worry" examples
    Let me guess - you have nothing to present so you attempt to joke about your inability to present such information?

    Where is the actual data on voter fraud convictions which shows this is a significant problem?
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    I keep hearing about ID laws "disenfranchising" groups of people. But I have yet to see any proof that it actually does. There are several states with voter ID law's...surely someone can point to one of them and show through links that there are people in that state that have not been allowed to vote because they didn't have an ID?

    Sorry but I just cannot believe that voter ID laws disenfranchise anyone. ID's are extremely simple to get and are requirements for damn near anything now a days. From buying cigarettes to renting subsidized appartments to buying a car to getting a bank account...and on and on and on. Hell, I can't even apply for a job or get a bank account without my social security card and an official ID.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let me guess - you have nothing to present so you attempt to joke about your inability to present such information?

    Where is the actual data on voter fraud convictions which shows this is a significant problem?
    Where's the data that shows that everyone that commits voter fraud is caught and convicted?
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