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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It would seem all Americans would want ID when voting if only to recognize how important each vote is, the historical struggles which went into achieving the right to vote, and to protect the integrity of a system so few in this world get to enjoy.

    That people would put party politics ahead of a secure electoral system strongly suggests that the system is already in jeopardy.
    This claim to be so worried about voter disenfranchisement is so shallow and transparent anyway.

    The two major parties do everything in their power to increase voter apathy. About 50% vote in presidential elections, and other elections are far, far lower in appeal.

    If the two major parties really cared about giving voters what they want, they wouldn’t fight so hard to keep third party politicians off the ballots, and we would certainly see a higher percentage of the population voting.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

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    one party tried to minimize the problem by pretending it isn't a problem.
    True, but the "one party has a problem" thing is what gets me. Some people here are definitely naive or blind enough to think that Republicans never engage in voter fraud. But let's be real, we know they do it too.

    So when this other "one party" blows this up into a big problem, and says "Here's a better solution," don't you wonder if they're just trying to change the rules so that only they can committ fraud? Are they, in a sense, trying to rig the election in their favor?

    disenfranchisement already exists, and will always exist
    Yes, it always will. There is no such thing as a perfect system. Same goes for fraud. So many people are working on the assumption that those who are disenfranchised with this idea will tend to vote Democrat. I don't know how true that is, but if that's true, is it any wonder that Republicans would want them disenfranchised? To a hard-core Republican, the only good Democrat is one that can't vote.


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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    True, but the "one party has a problem" thing is what gets me. Some people here are definitely naive or blind enough to think that Republicans never engage in voter fraud. But let's be real, we know they do it too.

    So when this other "one party" blows this up into a big problem, and says "Here's a better solution," don't you wonder if they're just trying to change the rules so that only they can committ fraud? Are they, in a sense, trying to rig the election in their favor?

    Yes, it always will. There is no such thing as a perfect system. Same goes for fraud. So many people are working on the assumption that those who are disenfranchised with this idea will tend to vote Democrat. I don't know how true that is, but if that's true, is it any wonder that Republicans would want them disenfranchised? To a hard-core Republican, the only good Democrat is one that can't vote.

    distrust of politicians is certainly warranted

    But this thread goes well beyond that. I as an individual point out that the system has virtually no protection in place today to minimize vote fraud and am arguing that we need an improved system.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    True, but the "one party has a problem" thing is what gets me. Some people here are definitely naive or blind enough to think that Republicans never engage in voter fraud. But let's be real, we know they do it too.
    All the more reason for voter I.D. and measures that will assure the public that the system is honest, that every vote is worthwhile and counts for something.
    So when this other "one party" blows this up into a big problem, and says "Here's a better solution," don't you wonder if they're just trying to change the rules so that only they can committ fraud? Are they, in a sense, trying to rig the election in their favor?
    Then that is even a greater reason why the public should demand changes where no politician, or their hacks, can rig the vote. They should be marching in the streets, demanding that this most symbolic act of freedom be protected from political chicanery.

    Yes, it always will. There is no such thing as a perfect system. Same goes for fraud. So many people are working on the assumption that those who are disenfranchised with this idea will tend to vote Democrat. I don't know how true that is, but if that's true, is it any wonder that Republicans would want them disenfranchised? To a hard-core Republican, the only good Democrat is one that can't vote.
    If people could get their heads away from their political teams for a moment they might consider putting their country and the protection of citizen's rights and freedoms first. If the American people can't even do that then the Republic gets a fail, for sure.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    one party tried to minimize the problem by pretending it isn't a problem.
    No, they did a study to look at all the cases of in person voter fraud that ever come up. That is the closest to scientific of all the evidence available.


    disenfranchisement already exists, and will always exist but your solution to do nothing to improve the process is idiotic.

    How many times do I have to explain it? If it costs more than it saves, it's idiotic to use it. "Improvement" implies that it eliminates frauds at a larger number than it disenfranchises, and I have explained why this solution doesn't do that many times already.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post

    How many times do I have to explain it? If it costs more than it saves, it's idiotic to use it. "Improvement" implies that it eliminates frauds at a larger number than it disenfranchises, and I have explained why this solution doesn't do that many times already.
    No need to explain further because no one is being "disenfranchised". Nobody.

    That's what's called a "Re Herring".

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    No, they did a study to look at all the cases of in person voter fraud that ever come up. That is the closest to scientific of all the evidence available.
    Did they acknowledge the inability to truly gauge the scope of the problem because of the lack of oversight in the entire process?


    How many times do I have to explain it? If it costs more than it saves, it's idiotic to use it. "Improvement" implies that it eliminates frauds at a larger number than it disenfranchises, and I have explained why this solution doesn't do that many times already.
    This is nonsense. What value do you place on lessening voter fraud? You havenít explained jack ****, you have offered your opinion, and I reject your opinion.

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