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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    No, it didn't, since no vote was cast.

    Additionally, the imposter chickened out and did not provide the required signature (which would or could have been used by the poll worker to verify his claim to be who he said he was).

    You see, once again, you don't know how the system works and you wind up being confused about what is happening. Watching right wing 'sting' videos and thinking that they are telling you the full story will cause that.
    You have repeatedly made the same ridiculous arguement. It has no basis in reality, like pretty much all your other arguements. The guy went as far as he could before commiting a crime. There was nothing stopping him from committing that crime, thus he proved it COULD be done. your attempts at muddle the issue are fooling no one but yourself.


    when 2 people are arguing [...]
    While you may be arguing, you're not arguing about the topic at hand -- which is, GOP efforts to implement a widespread requirement for state-issued photo ID be presented when trying to vote (see, since the term "photo voter ID" confused you, I have simplified it for you)... even if your identity and eligibility have already been determined, often by other methods, when registering to vote (and since I have to cover all the bases for those that refuse to inform themselves prior to trying to 'argue', in general terms you have to be registered in order to vote).

    That is what the GOP is trying to do, and that is why O'Keefe is running around making juvenile videos to support their efforts, which is why we have threads like this.
    No that is not what the thread is about please try to reread the OP then try reading it again. Ok now go get your mother to explain to you what the thread is about. Cause lets face it you haven't been able to figure it out for yourself. Just because YOU want it to be about the GOP plan that does not make it so. Come out of fantasy land if you are able to. Again even if this thread was solely about the GOP plan (IT IS NOT) why would offering a third option make me ignorant? I do not think that word means what you think it means.
    So while I HAVE been arguing the topic at hand you have been going off on wild semantic contortions.

    Can't wait to see how you pick and choose which part of my post you will once again completely misunderstand.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    [...] The progressives already setup a system of identification every single person. Every person at birth is required now to get a social security number and as you move through life, you find more and more entities requiring you provide this number.
    1. A social security number is not required at birth. However, feel free to quote and cite the exact federal regulation if you disagree.

    2. The bill requiring a social security number for children -- in order to claim them as a tax deduction -- was the Tax Reform Act of 1986, passed during... drum roll please... the Reagan administration.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    You have repeatedly made the same ridiculous arguement. It has no basis in reality, like pretty much all your other arguements. The guy went as far as he could before commiting a crime. There was nothing stopping him from committing that crime, thus he proved it COULD be done.
    You COULD provide a rational argument. However, there is no evidence of it having been done (at least in this thread).

    Also, the GOP COULD provide evidence of the type of voter fraud that they claim a state-issued photo ID will prevent. However, they have not.

    A scholarly institution COULD present a survey documenting an analysis of the number of people who do not have these ID's, and may be disenfranchised by them. Oops -- they HAVE done that. Well, glad to see at least one side of the argument has a leg to stand on

    Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students.

    [...] A 2009 study in Indiana found that of the citizen adult population, 81.4% of all white eligible adults had access to a driver’s license, compared to only 55.2% of black eligible adults.

    Voter ID | Brennan Center for Justice

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    1. A social security number is not required at birth. However, feel free to quote and cite the exact federal regulation if you disagree.

    2. The bill requiring a social security number for children -- in order to claim them as a tax deduction -- was the Tax Reform Act of 1986, passed during... drum roll please... the Reagan administration.
    A social security number is required to claim them. To hire them. To insure them., and only became a tool available because drum roll please – progressives created the system that implemented it.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    A social security number is required to claim them. To hire them. To insure them [...]
    You'd feel less foolish if you'd said that originally, instead of:

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    [...] Every person at birth is required now to get a social security number [...]


    In any case, you can probably still get thru life without a Social Security number; agreed, there will be some challenges. But if the GOP has their way you won't be able to vote unless you have a gov't-issued photo ID. No how, no way, no sir.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    You'd feel less foolish if you'd said that originally, instead of:





    In any case, you can probably still get thru life without a Social Security number; agreed, there will be some challenges. But if the GOP has their way you won't be able to vote unless you have a gov't-issued photo ID. No how, no way, no sir.
    You would look like less of a jerk if you took the time to understand what a person is saying.

    You can live on the street without a social security number. Way to make a solid point. Whatever would we do without your brilliance?

    I guess anything to make your idiotic rf id post a distant memory is good for you.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Karl You have tried to use the exact same arguement yourself to prove the GOP want to steal elections by disenfracnhising democrats.
    No point in going there again.

    I have never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said I supported a state voter photo ID. In fact the only person still talking about that is YOU!
    I have offered another solution that others have commented on as a rational idea to be discussed. YOU however refuse do anything but claim I am ignorant and thus my input should be ignored because you only want to talk about a state voter photo ID card. REALITY check only you are talking about that on this thread. The GOP did not start this thread and neither did you. Again if there is a proven hole/breach in a system (any system will do, we could be talking about a municipalality's water supply) the only logical thing to do would be to look at that what could be done to secure the breach and whether there is a cost/benefit ratio in favor of any and all solutions. Sometimes the best solution is to leave things alone but refusing to even look at any solutions is just living in a state of denial. I agree the GOP plan fails the cost/benefit analysis that is why I am not talking about it. YOU however seem only to want to talk about that solution because you, like me think it fails the cost/benefit analysis. To refuse to look at alternatives is the reason you are acting like a zealot or fanatic.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    You would look like less of a jerk if you took the time to understand what a person is saying. You can live on the street without a social security number. Way to make a solid point. Whatever would we do without your brilliance?
    If you think that one would be limited to living on the street, then you lack imagination. Or are desperate to cover up your prior error:

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    [...] Every person at birth is required now to get a social security number [...]
    Tip: the best way to handle an error is to forget it and quit trying to get in the last word or 'rework' it (which only serves to continue putting the error in the forefront, as I am happy to do ).

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I guess anything to make your idiotic rf id post a distant memory is good for you.
    That was intended to satirize the GOP efforts to identify everyone. Again, it seems that a lack of imagination is in play . . . . .

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    [...] I have never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said I supported a state voter photo ID. [...]
    Who said said said said said said said that you did?

    I understand that you have been trying to provide an alternate solution, even though the debate in the U.S. is and has been about the GOP solution, but like the GOP you have failed to identify/quantify a problem (other than imagining things). Even if you did come up with proof of a significant problem, if your alternative solution did not disproportionately affect minorities then the GOP would not be interested in it.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Who said said said said said said said that you did?

    I understand that you have been trying to provide an alternate solution, even though the debate in the U.S. is and has been about the GOP solution, but like the GOP you have failed to identify/quantify a problem (other than imagining things). Even if you did come up with proof of a significant problem, if your alternative solution did not disproportionately affect minorities then the GOP would not be interested in it.
    logical fallacy,lets see if you can catch it
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