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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    You don't need photo voter ID for your plan. In fact, you need no ID at all.... a simple check mark is made every time a voter is handed a ballot. The total number of checkmarks should = the total number of votes in the ballot box (or the total number of checkmarks at that voting location = the total number of votes cast there).

    Like, duh.

    That is why, historically, ballot box stuffing is perpetrated by election officials or those in possession of the ballot boxes when no one else is around, rather than those actually voting... the 'fix' has to be 'in' by those who are supposed to be policing corruption, but are instead practicing it.
    But it also stops the secondary market of vote fraud: making fake regs then busing people in to claim those names and vote. It also stops dead voting, precinct hopping for people that have moved, absentee ballots for multi state residents and all kinds of other shenanigans if done correctly.

    If you want to have a real adult conversation lose the smart ass attitude. Like, duh.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

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    If you want to have a real adult conversation lose the smart ass attitude. Like, duh.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It may not stop it...but it sure can limit it. Lets say a crooked politician/corporation wants to rig the votes by hiring people to cast fake votes by using other peoples names. As it stands right now that crooked politician/corporation could just pay someone 50 bucks to do one, another person another 50 bucks to do it also and so on and so forth. For someone that is poor and needs money that may sound like a good deal. Especially when you consider most poor people don't know the punishment for voter fraud. (I know I didn't until this thread)

    But with requireing a voter ID that crooked politician now has to provide those fake ID's. In order to do that you have to find someone to make it and they get to charge their normal rate. Which from what I have heard is around $300 per ID. How many politicians are going to spend that much for the amount of votes needed to sway an election?

    Please note that the above here is simplistic and would more than likely be far more convoluted. I could make it more convoluted but I'm just trying to make a point...not write a desertation.
    They could easily do it with photo ID requirement as well. Making a fake ID just require a computer, a camera, some cards and a printer. Why would people who go to the extend of conducting electoral fraud be shy about making some fake IDs? Given that this election season could go up to billions, assuming someone is committed to committing fraud, I think they could do it. "Assuming" being the operative word.

    The whole arguement made by the photo ID requirement is simplistic, seems to me, if I were to believe the arguement made to be genuine. If a fraud were to occur, it would have occurred during the registration stage first, but the supporters are not asking for states to step up the requirement for that, or think of ways to make sure that don't occur.


    Holder might do such a thing. But what about Jane doe? John Doe? Mr. Smith? How many people actually go to the registrar and check to see if they have already voted or voted twice? Would people that don't even normally vote go check? Do you even check? I would bet that no one actually ever does this. I mean why would you? You don't believe in voter fraud on this side of the curtain.
    You claimed that there's no way to know if someone vote in another person's name and I showed that indeed there is.

    The next question is: is there any systemic problem with in person voter fraud to begin with? Are there any person voting in Jane Doe, or John Doe or Mr Smith's names? If there's a problem, it's up to the person who claim the problem exists to demonstrate that it in fact exists.

    And once you demonstrate that there is indeed a problem, then you consider the solution, whether it's effective in address the problem - which it is not. It is better to catch fraud at the registration stage, which would catch those absentee ballots fraud as well.

    If it passes the second stage, then you have to consider the costs and benefits.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    That is why I left the photo part out, I know I know everyone here means photo ID, But as i have said umpteen times in Canada, if anyone would have bothered to look at the link I posted, Photo ID is not required. There is a higher level of proof for non photo ID, example a piece of non photo ID and an electricity bill, with name and adress on it. As I seem to be having problems with ppl who read part of the posts and jump to conclusions, that is just an EXAMPLE there are lots of ways you can do it.
    I understand the USA doesnt have national health cards like we do here (actually they are povincial but cards from 1 province are accepted* in others, It is in a way national).
    I will reask my question using Canadian requirements would you have any problems with voter ID?

    *Don't want to get into the healthcare thing here, that would be another topic, but the cards between provinces are't equal. What one province covers is not necessarily the same as what another covers. Way to complicated to explain but for practical use your card is good anywhere in canada.
    The answer addresses any requirement, whether photo or non photo, Canada or US: if you can get the card to everyone without costs, then by all means, do it. But there's no point is talking about something that's not going to happen in reality.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    The answer addresses any requirement, whether photo or non photo, Canada or US: if you can get the card to everyone without costs, then by all means, do it. But there's no point is talking about something that's not going to happen in reality.
    Again we do this here in Canada (and many other jurisidctions) and there is no problem with the cost nor with people being disenfranchised. I do not see how it would become either expensive or disenfranchising in the states to use a system such as ours for voter ID.

    They could easily do it with photo ID requirement as well. Making a fake ID just require a computer, a camera, some cards and a printer. Why would people who go to the extend of conducting electoral fraud be shy about making some fake IDs? Given that this election season could go up to billions, assuming someone is committed to committing fraud, I think they could do it. "Assuming" being the operative word.
    Agreed it is possible, but it will add another level of difficulty/cost to anyone trying to perpetrate such a fraud. Requiring voter ID (again I am using Canadian standards, really shouldn't have to keep repeating that but some ppl here are intentionally blind to what my posts actually say)adds that extra level of security making it more difficult. I don't know how stringent voter registration is in the USA, but I think that it should obviously have a certain standard. Ie you shouldnt be just able to walk in or mail in a request for voter registration without any proof of eligibility. I seriously doubt it would be possible to ever make a system 100% fraud proof but you should try tomake it as safe as possible with regards to cost/rights.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yet we have evidence that not everyone is verified. Remember, what happens in your county may not happen in another.
    It is done simply and fast without the use of any formal picture ID. The people who work the election have a big book with a copy of my voters registration and signature. They give me a piece of paper on which I print my name and address and then sign it. They compare that to what is in the book and I have proven I am who I say I am. I then vote.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    You don't know that anyone is stealing from you, you admitted as much.
    I know people are stealing, I admitted to not knowing how much.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    The next question is: is there any systemic problem with in person voter fraud to begin with? Are there any person voting in Jane Doe, or John Doe or Mr Smith's names? If there's a problem, it's up to the person who claim the problem exists to demonstrate that it in fact exists.
    Im ****ing sick and tired of liberals playing dumb, deaf and blind on this subject.
    The system is set up so that it is nearly impossible to catch anyone doing so.
    How can you catch anyone when the system is set up so that there is no way to question a voter's identity?

    Do you lock your doors at home? If you have never been robbed, why do you? After all, no proof you are going to get robbed right?

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Im ****ing sick and tired of liberals playing dumb, deaf and blind on this subject.
    The system is set up so that it is nearly impossible to catch anyone doing so.
    How can you catch anyone when the system is set up so that there is no way to question a voter's identity?

    Do you lock your doors at home? If you have never been robbed, why do you? After all, no proof you are going to get robbed right?
    If you think that's bad, wait until they start running your health care system.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost, replying to Karl View Post
    But it also stops the secondary market of vote fraud:[...]

    If you want to have a real adult conversation lose the smart ass attitude. Like, duh.
    It may also stop vaginal itch, but the item under discussion was ballot box stuffing, to which your prior answer failed miserably (which explains your attempted goal post relocation).

    Provide some adult intellect, then we'll talk.

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    I've already put him on ignore for his lack of civility.
    Alternatively, you can follow others' lead and bury your head in the sand, thereby winning every argument due to lack of competition.

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