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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    [...] I'm not surprised that you claim a lack of proof of this type of voter fraud means ANY type of voter id is unecessay. [...]
    Strawman...

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    [...] I mean...where do people think the term "ballot box stuffing" came from? It came about due to people literally voting more than once in an election. Yet all of a sudden such a thing is denied as even existing.
    Strawman (in bold).

    More literally, "ballot box stuffing" means one person stuffing 'a lot' of votes into the box, often an election official (opportunity), which would not be prevented by photo voter ID.

    In short, successful ballot-stuffing usually requires the misconduct of genuine registered voters and/or elections personnel.

    Ballot stuffing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    [...] Your confusing me with Kal'Stang. I didn`t weigh in on the topic I asked a question and got very unsatisactory answers, and some rather snippy comments from ppl who assumed things about me without actually noticing I was asking for information IE I was trying to get informed. [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by Quag, in post #43 View Post
    I don't get it. Can someone please explain why voter ID would be a bad thing? It seems kinda common sense to provide proof of who you are when you vote. I don't see how this could have any negative effects. Not trying to be pissy or anything I just really don't understand why this shoudl be an issue.
    Recall better now?

    In a debate, it is best to arrive informed.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Strawman (in bold).

    More literally, "ballot box stuffing" means one person stuffing 'a lot' of votes into the box, often an election official (opportunity), which would not be prevented by photo voter ID.
    It would certainly be a lot easier to trace. as would "telegraphing".

    Since this problem has been around for generations it's difficult to see why improvements in security aren't being welcomed.

    The only explanation would seem to be that a political party, in this case the Democrats, would have something to lose if honesty in voting regulations were introduced..

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It would certainly be a lot easier to trace [...]
    Please explain.

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    Since this problem has been around for generations it's difficult to see why improvements in security aren't being welcomed.
    Explain how photo voter ID, as envisioned by the numerous Republican proposals, would be an "improvement in security" as it relates to ballot stuffing.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Please explain.


    Explain how photo voter ID, as envisioned by the numerous Republican proposals, would be an "improvement in security" as it relates to ballot stuffing.
    Why does this need explaining? If you do not understand something why not investigate on your own? Why are you even on this thread if you don't understand voter fraud?

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Please explain.


    Explain how photo voter ID, as envisioned by the numerous Republican proposals, would be an "improvement in security" as it relates to ballot stuffing.


    Have all registered voters on a list by precinct. Check ID at the door before voting. Tally marked list versus votes cast. Eliminating the fraudulent votes also becomes easier as you have a list of those that voted by precinct. Ballot stuffing becomes something close to impossible.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Karl

    I'm not surprised that you claim a lack of proof that the Republican motive in requiring new ID is to disenfranchise minorities, the poor, and the aged. This doesnt change the fact that it is possible . . .
    lets have some fun

    I'm not surprised that you claim a lack of proof of this type of voter fraud means ANY type of voter id is unecessay. This doesnt change the fact that it is possible. see what I did there
    Your post/my post read them again. Now can you not see that I am using sarcasm? I used your own words to point out how silly your statement was. But someohow you missed the point and just attacked my paraphrasing of your argument.
    Still thank you for pointing out that your arguement was false.


    Recall better now?

    In a debate, it is best to arrive informed.
    don't get it. Can someone please explain why voter ID would be a bad thing? It seems kinda common sense to provide proof of who you are when you vote. I don't see how this could have any negative effects. Not trying to be pissy or anything I just really don't understand why this shoudl be an issue.
    You quote me asking a question, Highlite the bit where I say I don't see how there could be any negative effects after the question, IE I am clarifiying what my question is about and you think this is proof of me refusing to learn anything?

    In a debate, it is best to actually listen to the other people involved.


    Your confusion is a result of weighing in on my posts that you

    a) are not familiar with, and

    b) have failed to read and/or comprehend.

    back to the subject at hand
    Would you still be against voter ID if it cost the state nothing and disenfranchised no one?
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why does this need explaining? If you do not understand something why not investigate on your own? Why are you even on this thread if you don't understand voter fraud?
    You know, even when I expect a stupid response, I'm still surprised when I get it.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Have all registered voters on a list by precinct. Check ID at the door before voting. Tally marked list versus votes cast. Eliminating the fraudulent votes also becomes easier as you have a list of those that voted by precinct. Ballot stuffing becomes something close to impossible.
    You don't need photo voter ID for your plan. In fact, you need no ID at all.... a simple check mark is made every time a voter is handed a ballot. The total number of checkmarks should = the total number of votes in the ballot box (or the total number of checkmarks at that voting location = the total number of votes cast there).

    Like, duh.

    That is why, historically, ballot box stuffing is perpetrated by election officials or those in possession of the ballot boxes when no one else is around, rather than those actually voting... the 'fix' has to be 'in' by those who are supposed to be policing corruption, but are instead practicing it.
    Last edited by Karl; 04-15-12 at 09:04 PM.

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