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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil, replying to Kal'Stang View Post
    Perhaps because the question is based on a false premise. [...]
    I told him something similar and he got all huffy on me

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    You're not being scientific, seems to me your arguement is pretty idiotic. It's like saying you would rather know that you lose $10, rather than dropping a cent or two without knowing about it.
    You are ignorant. Science refers to a system of acquiring knowledge. We know some level of election fraud occurs, I am pursuing a a system of acquiring knowledge about the level of corruption that occurs.

    Your analogy is equally idiotic. A better one is that someone is stealing money from me. Now I am going to start counting the money so I know exactly how much was stolen.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

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    Actually this is my point. you point out the other sides stance (voter photo ID law) then ascribe an evil intent to it (depriving minorities of votes)
    There is multiple historical evidence of that.

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    On the other side people have pointed out your stance (Voter photo ID not necessary) then ascribe evil intent to it (permitting voter fraud to keep your side in power)
    There is no historical evidence of that, at least that the proposed laws would prevent. Additionally, there is no evidence of even the existence of the type of fraud that the ID is supposed to prevent.

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    That was my point! Same story different spin. [...]
    No. One story based on facts, another story based on spin. It is the task of the observer/reader to research and analyze each, then come to a reasoned conclusion based on facts, knowledge, and intellect.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Where can you show me the motives behind what you are saying? You are implying them but where is the proof?
    This is what i hear all the time LOOK what so and so wants, They want this for whatever evil reason. Sorry I aint buying that both sides say it over and over and over again.

    Yes I know you will point to lack of proof that there is voter fraud caused by not requiring ID. This doesnt change the fact that it is possible and small measures will make it more difficult. Again if you register a fake person and dont require ID than anyone can vote, if you require ID than there are more hoops to go through to commit voter fraud. THAT is why voter ID is part of this issue.

    I also have heard your points on why you don`t think it's a good idea but they haven't been convincing to me.
    I see no problems with voter ID as we have in Canada, again it isnt even remotely an issue here. There is no additional cost, it does not slow down voting and there is no disenfrachisement of ppl. Is there another problem other than these you wish to adress?

    As to those in favor (on this forum) I have not heard them demand a voter photo ID card (tired of typing that, VPID) Only those against have mentioned that.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

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    Kal'Stang: Is a seperate voter photo ID card what you are demanding? would a lesser threshold of Identification be acceptable to you?
    As long as it is an official state recognized ID I don't care one way or the other. A drivers license or basic ID or military ID card would be perfectly fine with me. No, school cards and the like allowed though.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You re making a false assumption.

    I have been voting since 1972. Every time I have voted the make sure I am who I say I am. I would estimate I have voted over fifty times in my life and each and every time they have determined I was who I said I was.
    And yet we have evidence that not everyone is verified. Remember, what happens in your county may not happen in another.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Perhaps because the question is based on a false premise. There is a way to tell if the people voting are who they say they are - that's what the registrar's for. If you suspect that an illegal alien is trying to vote, you go back to the registrar and cross reference it with his citizenship status. If a person vote in a different person's name, it's the registrar that will help us determine if a crime has been committed, not a photo ID. In the OP case, Holder can go and point to the registrar and say it's registered in his name with his address and a ballot has been submitted even though he was never there, and conclusively prove that a crime was committed. If the person voting in Holder's name can produce a photo ID that claims he's Holder, it wouldn't make his voting in Holder's name not a crime.
    The key word there is "suspect". What if you don't suspect?

    And how can "Holder" in this case know whether someone voted for him or not? Particularly if he didn't vote because of some emergency. Or if he goes to a different polling station.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    As to those in favor (on this forum) I have not heard them demand a voter photo ID card (tired of typing that, VPID) Only those against have mentioned that.
    Generally when people talk about ID in the US they are talking about photo ID. Just an FYI.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Generally when people talk about ID in the US they are talking about photo ID. Just an FYI.
    Thank you for the clarification, from someone on the other side. I do note you do not demand a specific VPID card . The gap isn`t as huge as it once seemed.
    Don't know how hard it is to get photo id there, like I said all Canadians of voting age have it with their medicaire card. but photo id is not required here. Would you be opposed to the non photo standards used here in Canada that ive posted before?
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Thank you for the clarification, from someone on the other side. I do note you do not demand a specific VPID card . The gap isn`t as huge as it once seemed.
    Don't know how hard it is to get photo id there, like I said all Canadians of voting age have it with their medicaire card. but photo id is not required here. Would you be opposed to the non photo standards used here in Canada that ive posted before?
    Yeah I think a photo in the ID should be a requirement. Anyone can carrry a card with just a name on it and pass it off as themselves. Thats a bit harder to do if a photo is in that card.
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