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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Use what judgement you have. If he signs, a felony has now been committed. Are you suggesting that the worker was going to analyze the signature ?........
    In the polling places I have worked they would compare the signature to the one on file from the previous election, if there was no signature on file then the voter would need to prove his or her identity using various forms of ID such as maybe some utility bills and or a drivers license etc. There would be one democrat and one republican to verify the signature/voter(two people work that first station here)and it would be left up to those two polling place workers to determine the voters eligibility. Are those two poll workers here handwriting exerts no, they are ordinary citizens who have sat down with their opposing parties representative in hopes of conducting a fair election.

    If there was election fraud taking place, isn't it more likely that forgery has been committed along with mail fraud etc.

    I personally think because of these videos and shenanigans being played with the poll workers that maybe a sign needs to be posted at the poll entrances stating that "any misleading information provided to poll workers may be used against you in a court of law" and "video taping or audio recording on these premises is forbidden without a proper permit and is punishable by federal law", the latter message would remove these trolls from the polls for good.

    One would have to assume that the original video tapes contain other voters information on the audio and video which should be a violation of the law IMO.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    In the polling places I have worked they would compare the signature to the one on file from the previous election, if there was no signature on file then the voter would need to prove his or her identity using various forms of ID such as maybe some utility bills and or a drivers license etc. There would be one democrat and one republican to verify the signature/voter(two people work that first station here)and it would be left up to those two polling place workers to determine the voters eligibility. Are those two poll workers here handwriting exerts no, they are ordinary citizens who have sat down with their opposing parties representative in hopes of conducting a fair election.

    If there was election fraud taking place, isn't it more likely that forgery has been committed along with mail fraud etc.

    I personally think because of these videos and shenanigans being played with the poll workers that maybe a sign needs to be posted at the poll entrances stating that "any misleading information provided to poll workers may be used against you in a court of law" and "video taping or audio recording on these premises is forbidden without a proper permit and is punishable by federal law", the latter message would remove these trolls from the polls for good.

    One would have to assume that the original video tapes contain other voters information on the audio and video which should be a violation of the law IMO.
    All that is fine. Except to just require ID negates the need for all of what you mention, much of which may not actually be done. To say that there are other more cumbersome and less efficient ways to check would seem to support a case for doing it in a more efficient way. As many states already do

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    All that is fine. Except to just require ID negates the need for all of what you mention, much of which may not actually be done. To say that there are other more cumbersome and less efficient ways to check would seem to support a case for doing it in a more efficient way. As many states already do
    There are people unable to get IDs because they lack the paperwork required to get them. Getting that paperwork often requires an ID.

    Disenfranchisement is very cumbersome.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    All that is fine. Except to just require ID negates the need for all of what you mention, much of which may not actually be done. To say that there are other more cumbersome and less efficient ways to check would seem to support a case for doing it in a more efficient way. As many states already do
    Well seeing how it is not that hard to obtain a fake ID in this country(from what I hear)that probably wouldn't stop fraud from taking place(if it is), and who says the poll worker is going to scrutinize the ID any more than they would a signature. A complex system of fingerprint scanners and or complex computers that would scan IDs to remove the human(error) factor would be needed, and even then he who makes the software that runs the system could always still be suspect.

    No, what we have IMO is losers insisting they lost because they were cheated.

    Look at who where and how they count the ballots in the end. From what I read a privately owned foreign company now counts/tallies the US election results.

    Yet some people still insist that only their neighbors are cheating the system in their local precincts.

    I personally trust people more than I do electronics.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are people unable to get IDs because they lack the paperwork required to get them. Getting that paperwork often requires an ID.

    Disenfranchisement is very cumbersome.
    Someone in the thread posted earlier that if there is not a signature on file, they currently have to show an ID in order to vote. Additionally, they indicated (and I expereinced this just recently in the republican primary and had to show 2 ID's, which was not easy for me) if your signature changes you have to show an ID. Is that not also disenfranchisement for those that don't have ID's? Assuming of course that having to show an ID is an unfair burden upon the voting public.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Why not include the link the words came from, why not include a link to the video, why not show that the poll worker says to the man "sign your name here" before he abruptly vacated the premisses?

    The man is clearly a fraud who I liken to a bank robber who would hand the teller a note that reads he wants all the money and then he proceeds to walk out without any money and then goes on to say look how easy banks are to rob.

    The man never signed the form and never got to vote on Erics ballot, sort of looks like he came close to committing a fraudulent act but never actually did.

    Maybe he should sign the form and cast the ballot next time, if he wants to prove anything significant.

    I would bet Eric signature is on file for comparison there and if it wasn't, there is probably a rule that says if a voter doesn't have a signature already on file then they need to show ID of sorts.

    Edit: this appears to be the video here:
    Anyone else here ever have to sign anything? A less scrupulous person would have signed his name, taken the ballot and voted. Do you think the poll worker had the signature on file?
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Anyone else here ever have to sign anything? A less scrupulous person would have signed his name, taken the ballot and voted. Do you think the poll worker had the signature on file?
    Why would a less scrupulous person do that? Most of us don't even bother to vote once, let alone twice. What benefit do I receive from voting twice, and how does that compare to the consequences of potentially getting caught?

    The poll worker might have the signature right there with him, depends on the state.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Why not include the link the words came from, why not include a link to the video, why not show that the poll worker says to the man "sign your name here" before he abruptly vacated the premisses?

    The man is clearly a fraud who I liken to a bank robber who would hand the teller a note that reads he wants all the money and then he proceeds to walk out without any money and then goes on to say look how easy banks are to rob.

    The man never signed the form and never got to vote on Erics ballot, sort of looks like he came close to committing a fraudulent act but never actually did.

    Maybe he should sign the form and cast the ballot next time, if he wants to prove anything significant.

    I would bet Eric signature is on file for comparison there and if it wasn't, there is probably a rule that says if a voter doesn't have a signature already on file then they need to show ID of sorts.

    Edit: this appears to be the video here:
    If he had he would have been committing voter fraud. The intent wasnt to commit fraud but to prove that it could be done...and very easily. Or do you really want to pretend those crafty poll workers were just waiting for him to actually vote and then pounce on him?

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Anyone else here ever have to sign anything? A less scrupulous person would have signed his name, taken the ballot and voted. Do you think the poll worker had the signature on file?
    Surely there is no reason why people that have been caught fraudulently registering voters across the country and fraudulently entering falsified role initiatives even to get someone like...say...some guy named Obama on the democrat primary ballot in say...Indiana...in the first place might conduct such acts.

    I know...I know...illegally and fraudulently registering to vote isnt REALLY voting. And besides...what kind of scumbags would do such a thing? or for that matter excuse them, downplay them, or just outright dismiss them. Funny how so many people, typically aligned with a particular party keep getting caught doing such things.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    I get what O'keefe was trying to do here, and his line about being back "faster than you can say furious" was pretty funny, but I wonder if bought himself some trouble here by trying to give the impression (although he never said it) he's someone else, much less the Attorney General. Also, I do wonder how he knew Holder's personal address.

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