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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    photo ID came up untill jsut recently.
    No, you need to show that the cost of doing so would not outweight the gain, the cost in this case is the people who would be prevented or discouraged from voting by the law VS the gain of stopping actual or any imaginary fraud that can be stopped by this law. A lot of the fraud that are done would not be stopped by the law, while the number of people who could be prevented or discouraged from voting by the law can be quite high.
    Seems the problem isn't with requiring ID, but in how ID is obtained in certain states that require it. I agree if the cost is too great, it seems pointless. Requiring a seperate voter ID card would make this a waste, asI have said several times since that subject was brought up. However Just using regular ID would cost the state nada. Agreed it won't stop voter fraud but closing what is an obvious open barn door seems like a good thing. Still doesnt explain the cameras in the house and strip search stuff. Call me sensitive but that was just silly hyperbole that made you point have less value as far as I'm concerened. Again I am not American what you do on how you vote is your buisness. I just think it strange the amount of animosity on what seems to me, as someone coming from a country that requires ID, as out of all proportion and context.

    Again many countries require ID and they do not have a problem so what is the big deal?

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    When you stooped to using random anecdotal evidence (which are not even related to photo ID issues), you stooped to the level of thinkprogress, which is why I thought it would be apt to compare apple with apple. You question others' story when it doesn't fit your perception but never saw fit to do the same with your own.

    Saying "there should be recourse" doesn't magically make everyone unaffected by the law.



    It's funny how you associate voter fraud with only the Democrats, funny and sad at the time:
    Investigation into Trashed Voter Registrations
    Man arrested in voter fraud - Los Angeles Times

    I say absentee ballot voters favour the Republican because they do: Early Voting Trends - Civitas Institute
    Its even MORE funny you say I ignore the republican instances of voter fraud considering I POSTED the case from Kentucky. Must I reemphasize...I dont vote GOP or Democrat...I want them all nailed to the wall.

    And if by 'republicans benefit from' LEGITIMATE absentee ballots, I would say I agree. Military personnel tend to vote republican. I think it is a crime that people intentionally delay, tamper with, or omit their votes. However you are simply being dishonest if you are suggesting the vast majority of fraud that we have seen caught is NOT being perpetrated by democrats. And again...I want it ALL targeted. I want those that engage in vote swapping, ballot stuffing, vote DENIAL...all of them...where it occurs I want them prosecuted and SEVERELY punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its even MORE funny you say I ignore the republican instances of voter fraud considering I POSTED the case from Kentucky. Must I reemphasize...I dont vote GOP or Democrat...I want them all nailed to the wall.
    Reemphasise whatever you want, your post indicate a bias against Democrats.


    And if by 'republicans benefit from' LEGITIMATE absentee ballots, I would say I agree. Military personnel tend to vote republican. I think it is a crime that people intentionally delay, tamper with, or omit their votes. However you are simply being dishonest if you are suggesting the vast majority of fraud that we have seen caught is NOT being perpetrated by democrats. And again...I want it ALL targeted. I want those that engage in vote swapping, ballot stuffing, vote DENIAL...all of them...where it occurs I want them prosecuted and SEVERELY punished.
    Since I made no such suggestion, you need to learn to read carefully. Making empty noise about wanting them punished don't make frauds disappear. If you really claim to want to prevent voting fraud in all cases, you would be calling for much stricter absentee ballots regulation since it's one of the area where there's documented frauds.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Reemphasise whatever you want, your post indicate a bias against Democrats.




    Since I made no such suggestion, you need to learn to read carefully. Making empty noise about wanting them punished don't make frauds disappear. If you really claim to want to prevent voting fraud in all cases, you would be calling for much stricter absentee ballots regulation since it's one of the area where there's documented frauds.
    Yes...I can see why you would think that since it is democrat supporters who dismiss so readily the fraud committed by democrat operatives in registering fraudulent voters, and so readily dismiss the other instances of actual voter fraud because it isnt a specific TYPE of fraud. The video posted in the OP...even though you may hate OKeefe (and along with other videos shwoing similar instances), very clearly shows how easily voter fraud is perpetrated. We have witnesses stating THEY never voted at polling places or signed polling petition drives...we KNOW we have a history in this country of dead people voting...we KNOW we have had NUMEROUS instances of voter irregularities, bags of ballots mysteriously showing up, bags allegedly found in rivers...on and on. Yeah...its repulsive. I also think it is comical beyond words the number of democrats that claim having an ID and identifying that you are who you claim to be in order to vote is 'oppressive'.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    but you still have no conclusive date on nationwide verifiable voter fraud convictions to present to show there is any significant problem.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    FYI I am Canadian Photo ID is not required just ID but there is push for Photo ID.
    There's a push??? That is news to me... this is the first I have heard of it, and I usually read the CBC daily.

    All Canadians have photo ID with their medicare card
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So? Unless you claim their analysis to be completely wrong, even if the number was overstated, the real number would still be large. If you wait until the law is in effect, it means people would have already been prevented or discouraged from voting.
    One problem with their numbers is that they are basing it off of the amount of estimated people that don't have ID's. Second they are assuming that those people can't get ID's. Something which I doubt. About the only ones that I would imagine actually can't are illegals. Third they have no idea how many of those people actually get out and vote...if any of them even do.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    One problem with their numbers is that they are basing it off of the amount of estimated people that don't have ID's. Second they are assuming that those people can't get ID's. Something which I doubt. About the only ones that I would imagine actually can't are illegals. Third they have no idea how many of those people actually get out and vote...if any of them even do.
    What about people who move a lot? You know, the young and those who cannot afford to buy. Think they would be bothered to change their voter ID each time? Of course not. It's difficult enough to actually get people to vote. Aside from the last turn out, barely a majority care to vote. Do you want to make it worse? What do you think will happen when less than 50% of Americans vote?

    Also, I'd like your opinion on voting machines. You know, the ones where a pimply-faced teen can hack into before finishing a bag of Doritos?

    Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control - 2012 Elections - Salon.com
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What about people who move a lot? You know, the young and those who cannot afford to buy. Think they would be bothered to change their voter ID each time? Of course not. It's difficult enough to actually get people to vote. Aside from the last turn out, barely a majority care to vote. Do you want to make it worse? What do you think will happen when less than 50% of Americans vote?

    Also, I'd like your opinion on voting machines. You know, the ones where a pimply-faced teen can hack into before finishing a bag of Doritos?

    Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control - 2012 Elections - Salon.com
    When I lived in New York I voted with this giant metal contraption with a huge lever. It made a very satisfying CA-CHUNK. Hack that.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What about people who move a lot? You know, the young and those who cannot afford to buy. Think they would be bothered to change their voter ID each time? Of course not. It's difficult enough to actually get people to vote. Aside from the last turn out, barely a majority care to vote. Do you want to make it worse? What do you think will happen when less than 50% of Americans vote?
    Bold: Actually most states that I have been to don't allow you to vote unless you have a residence in that state for at least 3-6 months anyways.

    Underlined: I can get a basic ID where I live for $15, I can't imagine that other places are that much more expensive. But even so, most of the laws that I have seen regarding voter ID's have some kind of provision in it where people can get it for free. How can they not afford that? Or like the link provided earlier shows they can vote via absentee ballot for free also (no ID required).

    Red: I really don't think that voter ID's laws will impact it at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Also, I'd like your opinion on voting machines. You know, the ones where a pimply-faced teen can hack into before finishing a bag of Doritos?

    Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control - 2012 Elections - Salon.com
    I don't mind them. Yes I do know that currently they are subject to many errors and yes, hackings are possible. But they are reletively new and as such I don't fully trust them yet and believe that they should allow some kind of printout until such things are figured out and fixed. I believe that eventually voting machines will become the norm whether we trust them or not anyways. It is inevitable I think due to the normal progress of a society that is based off of technology...and a society that has so many people in it.
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