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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im sure all of these were just some sort of innocent mistake or oversight...

    Dead people voting - Ballotpedia
    Well, for the purposes of your argument, non-existent would be the proper word. From your link: "The extent to which this type of vote fraud occurs is not known."

    Furthermore, this is the type of fraud that appears to be more the work of poll workers or election officials rather than walk-in voters.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang, replying to another View Post
    And you still ignore my point. And you still haven't shown people that are denied voting rights by voter ID laws.
    As you ignore the point that is always brought up when you want to enact a new law -- what is it supposed to prevent, and is that even happening?

    If the state makes you pay $20 in order to vote, your voting right has not been denied. However, it is still illegal. How can that be?

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Woo hoo!!! After five failures, you finally got one! One person.....



    Yes. There was a thread on it here... weren't you in it?

    So, out of some 920 people you claim have committed or been charged with actual voter fraud, you got 1 verified correct so far. Not bad. . . . . . . . . but don't let us stop you now
    It took all of about 3 minutes to link to numerous articles on voter fraud. That hasnt really even scratched the surface and we dont even know how much we dont know about. See...thats your problem...you have so much filthy and disgusting dirty vermin in your ranks that they have cast the stink of distrust on the whole process. You really shouldnt be pissed at conservatives for not trusting you...you should be pissed at your self for having so much filthy and disgusting dirty vermin in your ranks. When people prove they cant be trusted then...guess what...they cant be trusted. So...its a shame...but yes...more and more we are moving to a system that requires you to...gasp...show an ID card. Oh the inhumanity of it all.
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Since you support a new regulation (some sort of gov't issued photo voter ID), the burden is upon you to show why it is a good thing.

    Good luck
    Where did I say I support a govt issued photo voter ID? I merely asked where is the problem with requiring ID. I never mentioned Photo just ID. FYI I am Canadian Photo ID is not required just ID but there is push for Photo ID. I have np with this as it doesnt affect anyone. All Canadians have photo ID with their medicare card (adults here, children dont get photos on theirs till they are older, but they don't vote) I know you dont have universal health care in the US. SO you don't have that but I never mentioned photo ID.

    Elections Canada Online | Voter Identification at the Polls

    Link explains what is acceptable ID

    Basically many countries have ID requirements I'm pretty sure it would be a big deal if it caused problems. Since it doesn't I don't understand why it would in the USA. PPL seem very very agressive on this issue which seems so minor and well,sorry, obvious. Yes voting is a right, but only to those who meet the requirements. I fail to see how requiring proof of meeting the requirements can be disenfranchising to anyone.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dont get out much or are you just deliberately and willfully ignorant?
    Just wanting to see if you would be foolish enough to bully your way through your research failure.

    You were (the people in question were charged, not convicted). And that's not all -- it was a voter petition, not an election (actual voter fraud).... i.e., a photo voter ID law would not have prevented it.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    [...] I am aware that recently several people were convicted of fraud in Indiana for forging names to place Obama on the Indiana primary ballot. [...]
    April 03, 2012 -- 4 Indiana Dems charged with election fraud in 2008 presidential race

    Read more: 4 Indiana Dems Charged With Election Fraud In 2008 Presidential Race | Fox News
    You've got a round trip ticket on the Fail Train, my man

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Just wanting to see if you would be foolish enough to bully your way through your research failure.

    You were (the people in question were charged, not convicted). And that's not all -- it was a voter petition, not an election (actual voter fraud).... i.e., a photo voter ID law would not have prevented it.
    You've got a round trip ticket on the Fail Train, my man
    Shame your own train is very short and has no rails. I was specifically asked to provide evidence of voter fraud. I did that...in abundance. Not 'just' registration fraud (lord...when people discount that it just makes them so pathetic) but real live honest to goodness cases of fraudulent voting. Done deal. Oh...but wait...you want in person fraud. Between 2004 and 2005...only in districts that are even numbered...and in the r-t range.

    Sorry...your allies are dirty and you have been hugging them. Your playmates have been rolling around in pig**** and you are coated in their funk. The process is corrupt and you have no one to blame but yourself.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It took all of about 3 minutes to link to numerous articles on voter fraud. [...]
    Well then, in the future you should spend more time, and perhaps your fail will not be so great, for you only found one confirmed person that would have been deterred from committing voter fraud by a gov't photo ID card requirement like the one the Republicans, courtesy of ALEC, are trying to institute.

    Your ad hominems only contribute to your failure to make a reasoned, rational argument.

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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Well then, in the future you should spend more time, and perhaps your fail will not be so great, for you only found one confirmed person that would have been deterred from committing voter fraud by a gov't photo ID card requirement like the one the Republicans, courtesy of ALEC, are trying to institute.

    Your ad hominems only contribute to your failure to make a reasoned, rational argument.
    really? see..I wasnt responding to you...I was responding to a specific request and more than met the challenge.

    (edit:I have to add its funny as hell who chimed in to 'like' your post)
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Where did I say I support a govt issued photo voter ID? I merely asked where is the problem with requiring ID. [...]
    I already told you. (refresher: there is no reasonable basis for what the Republicans are proposing... the problem they want to 'fix' has not been shown to exist).

    If you want to simply argue generalities, what is the problem with putting a government camera inside your home?

    Or strip searching you whenever they like?
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    Re: O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

    If you want to simply argue generalities, what is the problem with putting a government camera inside your home?

    Or strip searching you whenever they like?
    HUH? this is non sequitur. How does asking someone to provide ID to exercise their right to vote have anything to do with cameras inside your home or strip searching people?

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