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Food Stamp Friday at the club! $5 off!

Instead of focusing on something so diminutive as food stamps or welfare why don't fiscal conservatives talk more about the massive bloated military spending budget?
 
Deuce said:
Wait. They can't buy alcohol with the food stamps, so where's the abuse, again? A ****ty marketing campaign does not make one guilty of defrauding the taxpayers.



No it ****ing wouldn't because there isn't any fraud here.
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It's not that it's fraud, that bothers me.
It's that people who are supposedly so broke they can't feed there family are encouraged to spend their, supposedly limited discretionary income on "going to the club" rather than saving it, to no longer require food stamps.

To answer Maggie, no they shouldn't being going out for drinks, they're living off public assistance, basically saying they can't afford to feed themselves and their family.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
To answer Maggie, no they shouldn't being going out for drinks, they're living off public assistance, basically saying they can't afford to feed themselves and their family.
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I don't agree with you. Although I do know that money is fungible, so, in essence, you're probably more right than I.

I think our public assistance programs (all of them) should help folks to have a "life," meager though it may be -- not just help them so they won't starve to death.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't agree with you. Although I do know that money is fungible, so, in essence, you're probably more right than I.

I think our public assistance programs (all of them) should help folks to have a "life," meager though it may be -- not just help them so they won't starve to death.
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What's the point of getting off public assistance, if you helps you to live a decent life?
If that's the case, what am I working all this overtime for, when I can just get on pub assistance.

It's easier, than being a responsible adult.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
What's the point of getting off public assistance, if you helps you to live a decent life?
If that's the case, what am I working all this overtime for, when I can just get on pub assistance.

It's easier, than being a responsible adult.
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This.

You create a massive disincentive, not to mention a moral hazard when you try to allow others to "have a life" while on the dole. I would be pissed if I saw someone on welfare with a pack of cigarettes and a 40.

If someone wants to give of their own money so that the unfortunate can have creature comforts, that's more than fine. Personally, socialist ideas like that make me retch.
 
If you think it is the Life of Riley why not go on public assistance? I doubt anyone would see being on 'welfare' as a fun joy ride.

I know some folks struggling to make ends meet, but that doesn't mean they have no money if they are on food stamps. It also doesn't mean they can't go out once a month to a club. It also doesn't mean many folks showed up with food stamps cards.

Mostly what all this means is a few of the usual suspects have a very bigoted view on life.

Can imagine what some would type if someone down El Paso way held a 'Bring Your Fake SS card' night... :roll:
 
JohnWOlin said:
When I first saw this, I thought it was a joke then I found the places Facebook page and this article:
'Food Stamp Friday' At Alabama Rose Supper Club Grants Needy Reduced Cover Charge

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So I posted in another thread before about the many abuses to our system. This just epitomizes it. This club is asking people to flaunt that they are taking advantage. Oh, and yeah they probably will show up with their brand new Androids and iPhones. White, black, or hispanic this is annoying to me. I have seen the abuses of the system several times, and despite abuse being down (according to government) since 1999, it is likely far more rampant.

Yet, I also know plenty that should be able to get it but don't qualify because they don't cheat the system. Something about it needs to be done to be properly effective. I believe the system has it's place, but supplementing cashiers with three kids with a discount to a bar so a guy can get her drunk and knock her up with another kid is NOT what it should ever be used for.
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The problem isn't with the food stamp system.

Rather it's with the club promoting this.
 
notquiteright said:
If you think it is the Life of Riley why not go on public assistance? I doubt anyone would see being on 'welfare' as a fun joy ride.

I know some folks struggling to make ends meet, but that doesn't mean they have no money if they are on food stamps. It also doesn't mean they can't go out once a month to a club. It also doesn't mean many folks showed up with food stamps cards.

Mostly what all this means is a few of the usual suspects have a very bigoted view on life.

Can imagine what some would type if someone down El Paso way held a 'Bring Your Fake SS card' night... :roll:
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I'm not rich by most standards, probably "poor" rich, in relation to my income.
Meaning, even though I don't bring in a lot, I allocated my resources in such a manner that I end up having a significant amount of money in bank, at the end of the day.
Compared to people who make similar incomes.

With that said, I deprive myself of "fun" in order to maintain that standard.
From my perspective, if you're using emergency government resources, then spending your discretionary income on "fun" things.
You really don't need emergency government resources.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I'm not rich by most standards, probably "poor" rich, in relation to my income.
Meaning, even though I don't bring in a lot, I allocated my resources in such a manner that I end up having a significant amount of money in bank, at the end of the day.
Compared to people who make similar incomes.

With that said, I deprive myself of "fun" in order to maintain that standard.
From my perspective, if you're using emergency government resources, then spending your discretionary income on "fun" things.
You really don't need emergency government resources.
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To be fair, many large food corporations lobby to prevent restrictions on food stamp purchases so that the poor will buy their products.

There are many right-wingers who oppose the government telling people what they should feed their families and eat. Even when the government is paying for it.
 
samsmart said:
To be fair, many large food corporations lobby to prevent restrictions on food stamp purchases so that the poor will buy their products.

There are many right-wingers who oppose the government telling people what they should feed their families and eat. Even when the government is paying for it.
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Of course that's wrong too.
If you accept a handout, you have to understand that it comes with expectations.
 
Gipper said:
You cannot be this ignorant.
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Manager Harman Wilson says the night is meant to complement the club's other theme nights, such as Fat Tuesday, Karaoke Wednesday or Thirsty Thursday.

Wilson says patrons will not be able to use their food stamps to buy alcoholic beverages. He says he hopes the novel approach will draw people to the club.
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If you have evidence that he was lying, I'd like to see it.

Gipper said:
This.

You create a massive disincentive, not to mention a moral hazard when you try to allow others to "have a life" while on the dole. I would be pissed if I saw someone on welfare with a pack of cigarettes and a 40.

If someone wants to give of their own money so that the unfortunate can have creature comforts, that's more than fine. Personally, socialist ideas like that make me retch.
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You benefit from taxpayer funds too, you leech on society. Pay me back for those roads you drive on before you do anything fun.
 
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Deuce said:
If you have evidence that he was lying, I'd like to see it.
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I'm saying that you have your head way up your ass if you think that food stamps/WIC is fraud-proof. This isn't even including anecdotal statements about where I've seen firsthand how people give others their "coupons" for cash money. Stamps are essentially a bearer bond.

You benefit from taxpayer funds too, you leech on society. Pay me back for those roads you drive on before you do anything fun.
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I AM a taxpayer. Your hyperbole is making you wide open to mockery.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
Of course that's wrong too.
If you accept a handout, you have to understand that it comes with expectations.
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Yes, but my point is it wasn't those getting the handout who advocated this - it was the big food companies who wanted those profits. So to blame those receiving food stamps for that isn't fair, and shows less a problem with the food stamp system and more the problem with lobbyists influencing government programs.
 
Harry-
You live as you see fit, but one thing I don't expect is for others to live to my standard and not above if they receive gubment assistance. I have no problem with a man denying himself all the fun this life has to give to amass wealth by any measure. Scrooge was just misunderstood... ;)

Now that said, I pity the man who is heartless enough to think an occasional night out where for all any of us know only a few dollars was spent is wanton waste when they,(mostly likely) are the working poor not 'welfare' queens. Not every night shaking what God gave ya, but once a month and as I said before, all this posturing over a tacky promotion, (you should see the car dealer ads in Philly if you want to talk tacky), NO ONE knows if anyone showed up for it!

But bashing 'welfare' makes for great internet fodder...
 
Let him go pick up cans off the side of the road if he wants to "shake what God gave him".

Oh wait, that sounds a little too much like work. How inhumane.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Instead of focusing on something so diminutive as food stamps or welfare why don't fiscal conservatives talk more about the massive bloated military spending budget?
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I'm not actually a conservative person I just know using your food stamp card as a way to get an admission discount and get some $10 drinks shows that the culture is to abuse the system. To me summarizing abuses to a system that others in real need could use.

I think we need our military and intelligence budget scaled back to 2001 levels. That is another subject entirely though.
 
notquiteright said:
Harry-
You live as you see fit, but one thing I don't expect is for others to live to my standard and not above if they receive gubment assistance. I have no problem with a man denying himself all the fun this life has to give to amass wealth by any measure. Scrooge was just misunderstood... ;)
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I'm not a scrooge, I'm just doing what's right by my family and the tax payer.
Taking money from the government, when I can work, is ethically wrong.

notquiteright said:
Now that said, I pity the man who is heartless enough to think an occasional night out where for all any of us know only a few dollars was spent is wanton waste when they,(mostly likely) are the working poor not 'welfare' queens. Not every night shaking what God gave ya, but once a month and as I said before, all this posturing over a tacky promotion, (you should see the car dealer ads in Philly if you want to talk tacky), NO ONE knows if anyone showed up for it!

But bashing 'welfare' makes for great internet fodder...
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I disagree, if your poor, you should be conserving resources, until you're not poor.
 
samsmart said:
Yes, but my point is it wasn't those getting the handout who advocated this - it was the big food companies who wanted those profits. So to blame those receiving food stamps for that isn't fair, and shows less a problem with the food stamp system and more the problem with lobbyists influencing government programs.
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It's a problem with both.
Neither have enough personal ethics to do the right thing.
 
Gipper said:
I'm saying that you have your head way up your ass if you think that food stamps/WIC is fraud-proof. This isn't even including anecdotal statements about where I've seen firsthand how people give others their "coupons" for cash money. Stamps are essentially a bearer bond.



I AM a taxpayer. Your hyperbole is making you wide open to mockery.
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People on food stamps pay taxes too.

You've had generations of taxpayers build an entire nation's worth of infrastructure for you. You are a net leech on society.
 
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Harry-
that you feel taking gubment money while you are capable of work is a noble ideal. However as best as I can say is life is rarely noble and scarcely Ideal.

In Oklahoma there are many gubment/civil service people who qualify for reduced price lunches for their kids, food stamps, 'making work pay' tax breaks and earned income credit so the refund is larger than the amount withheld from paychecks.

Are you saying these folks shouldn't ever go out for a nice night's dinner and dancing just because their kids get a reduced price lunch and the miserable pay they earn while safeguarding society qualifies for food stamps?

I am talking about cops and deputies doing what most of us wouldn't for all the tea in china.

Now the poor working to be unpoor. Once again a good and puritan work ethic. Hard work and clean living is the mytical Ideal some hold up as capable of making any citizen a millionaire or at least a Boca Raton retiree.

But many of the working poor work hard long hours for poor pay and high rent/transportation/no benefits. Throw in a sick child and all the hours of the day and night still don't lift one up to even out of poverty. For them, hard working, long hours and plenty of sacrifice still qualifies for food stamps, housing assistance and free school lunches. I don't begrudge them a night out and if a food stamp card gets them a reduced cover charge... ummm why exactly does that bother the rest of us who's work isn't as back breaking and who's lives didn't include some hard knock spells disaster for many working poor?

I choose to thank my good fortune to have missed the hard knocks, and I aint out of the woods yet, it will only take one case of cancer to drain our finances even with the very expensive insurance we pay 100% as we both are self employed, and make us working poor. My wife and I spent 2 decades building a range from scratch, it will only take one positive on a PAP smear, lump, colon screening to take it all away.

I am not about to say there are no lazy folks on Gubment Assistance, just quite willing to say blanket statements like the type you make don't serve to clarify, just make a few feel superior, or justify reducing aid to the working poor because of caricatures held up as false images of the real facts on the ground.

But hey, I have seen quite a few hard working people struggle and don't feel I am immune to life's crotch kicks.
 
JohnWOlin said:
I'm not actually a conservative person I just know using your food stamp card as a way to get an admission discount and get some $10 drinks shows that the culture is to abuse the system.
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How is getting a discount with a food stamp card any different than getting a military or senior discount? No taxpayer money is being used, if a private business wants to get some customers who might not usually get into their club, who cares? What is the big damn deal? Seems like people are more concerned with the principle than the actual details.

This whole debate stinks of stereotypes and assumptions.
 
RadicalModerate said:
How is getting a discount with a food stamp card any different than getting a military or senior discount? No taxpayer money is being used, if a private business wants to get some customers who might not usually get into their club, who cares? What is the big damn deal? Seems like people are more concerned with the principle than the actual details.

This whole debate stinks of stereotypes and assumptions.
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Being a senior and getting discounts is a courtesy people give. Military discounts are something given because they are signing their lives to the government anyways. I personally know white and black people that game the system and this flyer is a reminder that there are several more out there. These promoters didn't do this for shock value or to be clever they did it
because they know the culture.
 
JohnWOlin said:
Being a senior and getting discounts is a courtesy people give. Military discounts are something given because they are signing their lives to the government anyways. I personally know white and black people that game the system and this flyer is a reminder that there are several more out there. These promoters didn't do this for shock value or to be clever they did it
because they know the culture.
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How are they possibly gaming the system? Is any red cent of your tax dollars going to this club? No. So knock off the insincere outrage.
 
notquiteright said:
Harry-
that you feel taking gubment money while you are capable of work is a noble ideal. However as best as I can say is life is rarely noble and scarcely Ideal.

In Oklahoma there are many gubment/civil service people who qualify for reduced price lunches for their kids, food stamps, 'making work pay' tax breaks and earned income credit so the refund is larger than the amount withheld from paychecks.

Are you saying these folks shouldn't ever go out for a nice night's dinner and dancing just because their kids get a reduced price lunch and the miserable pay they earn while safeguarding society qualifies for food stamps?

I am talking about cops and deputies doing what most of us wouldn't for all the tea in china.

Now the poor working to be unpoor. Once again a good and puritan work ethic. Hard work and clean living is the mytical Ideal some hold up as capable of making any citizen a millionaire or at least a Boca Raton retiree.

But many of the working poor work hard long hours for poor pay and high rent/transportation/no benefits. Throw in a sick child and all the hours of the day and night still don't lift one up to even out of poverty. For them, hard working, long hours and plenty of sacrifice still qualifies for food stamps, housing assistance and free school lunches. I don't begrudge them a night out and if a food stamp card gets them a reduced cover charge... ummm why exactly does that bother the rest of us who's work isn't as back breaking and who's lives didn't include some hard knock spells disaster for many working poor?

I choose to thank my good fortune to have missed the hard knocks, and I aint out of the woods yet, it will only take one case of cancer to drain our finances even with the very expensive insurance we pay 100% as we both are self employed, and make us working poor. My wife and I spent 2 decades building a range from scratch, it will only take one positive on a PAP smear, lump, colon screening to take it all away.

I am not about to say there are no lazy folks on Gubment Assistance, just quite willing to say blanket statements like the type you make don't serve to clarify, just make a few feel superior, or justify reducing aid to the working poor because of caricatures held up as false images of the real facts on the ground.

But hey, I have seen quite a few hard working people struggle and don't feel I am immune to life's crotch kicks.
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I'm not making caricatures of working poor people.
I know not all people do this.

I'm just saying that if you actively seek government services, attesting that you can't afford to feed your family, you shouldn't be out spending any excess money on party supplies.
It doesn't help one get off of said government services.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I'm not making caricatures of working poor people.
I know not all people do this.

I'm just saying that if you actively seek government services, attesting that you can't afford to feed your family, you shouldn't be out spending any excess money on party supplies.
It doesn't help one get off of said government services.
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Agreed, people on welfare should be legally barred from doing anything but working while they are on welfare. They should submit a weekly financial report to prove not a single penny goes to anything each individual taxpayer wouldn't personally approve of. They should be ankle monitored, drug tested, and kept on 24 hour video surveillance to ensure they don't go out a spend money on wasteful things. They should also be forced to wear "welfare jumpsuits" so people can identify welfare recipients; any welfare recipients should be forced to thank each taxpayer they see in public.

Gimmie a break. If you qualify for public assistance, you should get what you're alloted and that's it. You blow it all on clubs and nights out? Bad move, no more till next month. Each situation is different; single people get welfare, too. It's your money, you should be able to do what you want with it.
 
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