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    Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf (edite

    Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf

    A rider is passing through Congress which will increase taxes on roll your own cigarette stores.

    Talked about Pros:

    -"The roll your own cigarette stores are a tax loophole," says Senators and Congressmen and Phillip Morris.

    -We need taxes, got a budget problem.

    -It's a bad addiction.

    -My daddy died from smoking, screw Tobacco!

    Talked about Cons:

    -It's a regressive tax, poor people smoke more.

    -It's just big Tobacco snuffing out the competition and stepping on the little guy.


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    What's not being talked about.

    Big Tobacco Cigs have higher nicotine content, they soak paper in nicotine and then mix it in with the tobacco. So while roll your own cig stores might be half the cost they also probably only have half the nicotine, and if that's the case then this is just another case of Big Tobacco maintaining their market share because nobody is going to pay the same price for half the nicotine.

    People smoking with these roll your own cigs are inadvertantly subjecting themselves to less nicotine, and therefore less addiction. In a way this new upstart industry helps stop smoking.
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    oh...And it's bipartisan.

    Beware of the bipartisan. Another example of why a split government is not "better".

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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf

    A rider is passing through Congress which will increase taxes on roll your own cigarette stores.

    Talked about Pros:

    -"The roll your own cigarette stores are a tax loophole," says Senators and Congressmen and Phillip Morris.

    -We need taxes, got a budget problem.

    -It's a bad addiction.

    -My daddy died from smoking, screw Tobacco!

    Talked about Cons:

    -It's a regressive tax, poor people smoke more.

    -It's just big Tobacco snuffing out the competition and stepping on the little guy.


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    What's not being talked about.

    Big Tobacco Cigs have higher nicotine content, they soak paper in nicotine and then mix it in with the tobacco. So while roll your own cig stores might be half the cost they also probably only have half the nicotine, and if that's the case then this is just another case of Big Tobacco maintaining their market share because nobody is going to pay the same price for half the nicotine.

    People smoking with these roll your own cigs are inadvertantly subjecting themselves to less nicotine, and therefore less addiction. In a way this new upstart industry helps stop smoking.
    in texas and most areas roll you own cigarettes cost the same as normal cigarettes because they are already taxed to death.the current loophole now is they sell rolling tobacco as pipe tobacco since it is another taxe class.

    when i started smoking cigarettes were 5 bucks a pack in cali and i was 14 at the time,roll your own brands were $1.10 under a different tax class.now it seems every form of tobacco now except cigarellos is being taxed to death,if not by federal its by state tax.it bummed me out when i could by a can of grizzy in fort jackson for $1.35 and when i got to fort hood it was $4 a can,when i deployed a pouch of beechnut was 4.50 or so and i just bought a pouch of levi garret a few days ago and it was $10,and the cheapest brand redman was $9,i just couldnt believe they doubled in price in a little over a year.
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    in texas and most areas roll you own cigarettes cost the same as normal cigarettes because they are already taxed to death.the current loophole now is they sell rolling tobacco as pipe tobacco since it is another taxe class.

    when i started smoking cigarettes were 5 bucks a pack in cali and i was 14 at the time,roll your own brands were $1.10 under a different tax class.now it seems every form of tobacco now except cigarellos is being taxed to death,if not by federal its by state tax.it bummed me out when i could by a can of grizzy in fort jackson for $1.35 and when i got to fort hood it was $4 a can,when i deployed a pouch of beechnut was 4.50 or so and i just bought a pouch of levi garret a few days ago and it was $10,and the cheapest brand redman was $9,i just couldnt believe they doubled in price in a little over a year.
    The government is like the mafia. The sue the tobacco manufacturers and take a huge chunk which they pass on to the users, and they tax the hell out of the products which are passed on to the users. Of course the tobacco companies arent going to suffer....they just keep increasing the charge for products. Its funny really....unless...well...you are a user.

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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Man, it's **** like this that makes me hate those assholes.
    Depending on the final price, I may have to quit.

    Something I'm not really ready for.
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    I know "roll your own cigs" have less nicotine, I don't get a buzz off of em, cause I smoke them.

    Actually I quit for 7 months last year but didn't want to stay quit. I wanted to see if I could quit.

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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    I know "roll your own cigs" have less nicotine, I don't get a buzz off of em, cause I smoke them.

    Actually I quit for 7 months last year but didn't want to stay quit. I wanted to see if I could quit.
    I feel myself getting closer to actually wanting to quit.
    The desire for a cigarette isn't there, like it used to be.

    But hell, I want to quit on my terms, not because taxes are raised to give the tobacco giants and edge of pricing, again.
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I feel myself getting closer to actually wanting to quit.
    The desire for a cigarette isn't there, like it used to be.

    But hell, I want to quit on my terms, not because taxes are raised to give the tobacco giants and edge of pricing, again.
    Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.
    They lobbied for these tax increases, because they thought the difference in taxation was unfair.
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.
    From the article

    "But the end could be near for roll-your-own cigarette stores, amid outcries from large tobacco companies against a tax loophole that has allowed the stores to thrive, according to a recent Bloomberg report.

    Congress in 2009 boosted taxes on ready-made cigarettes at a much higher rate than it did on loose tobacco. The tax difference led to a flood of mom-and-pops that started selling loose tobacco, instead of major brands, and that installed more than 1,900 roll-your-own cigarette machines in 42 states over the past four and a half years, according to data the Wall Street Journal retrieved from RYO Machines, which makes them.

    Now lawmakers, backed by Big Tobacco, want shops using the machines to pay the same tax rate as mainstream cigarette manufacturers. "Tobacco is tobacco is tobacco," the CEO of a major North Carolina tobacco producer recently told Bloomberg. "All we want is a level playing field." "

    I like the "all we want is a level playing field", I wonder what forms of protection big tobacco gets from the government. While tobacco in general is rather largely demonized; I doubt they are fully without subsidy. I mean for as much as the government taxes tobacco, they don't actually want it to go away because they derive a significant amount of revenue from it.
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