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Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf (edite

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Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf

A rider is passing through Congress which will increase taxes on roll your own cigarette stores.

Talked about Pros:

-"The roll your own cigarette stores are a tax loophole," says Senators and Congressmen and Phillip Morris.

-We need taxes, got a budget problem.

-It's a bad addiction.

-My daddy died from smoking, screw Tobacco!

Talked about Cons:

-It's a regressive tax, poor people smoke more.

-It's just big Tobacco snuffing out the competition and stepping on the little guy.


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What's not being talked about.

Big Tobacco Cigs have higher nicotine content, they soak paper in nicotine and then mix it in with the tobacco. So while roll your own cig stores might be half the cost they also probably only have half the nicotine, and if that's the case then this is just another case of Big Tobacco maintaining their market share because nobody is going to pay the same price for half the nicotine.

People smoking with these roll your own cigs are inadvertantly subjecting themselves to less nicotine, and therefore less addiction. In a way this new upstart industry helps stop smoking.
 
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oh...And it's bipartisan.

Beware of the bipartisan. Another example of why a split government is not "better".
 
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Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf

A rider is passing through Congress which will increase taxes on roll your own cigarette stores.

Talked about Pros:

-"The roll your own cigarette stores are a tax loophole," says Senators and Congressmen and Phillip Morris.

-We need taxes, got a budget problem.

-It's a bad addiction.

-My daddy died from smoking, screw Tobacco!

Talked about Cons:

-It's a regressive tax, poor people smoke more.

-It's just big Tobacco snuffing out the competition and stepping on the little guy.


________________

What's not being talked about.

Big Tobacco Cigs have higher nicotine content, they soak paper in nicotine and then mix it in with the tobacco. So while roll your own cig stores might be half the cost they also probably only have half the nicotine, and if that's the case then this is just another case of Big Tobacco maintaining their market share because nobody is going to pay the same price for half the nicotine.

People smoking with these roll your own cigs are inadvertantly subjecting themselves to less nicotine, and therefore less addiction. In a way this new upstart industry helps stop smoking.

in texas and most areas roll you own cigarettes cost the same as normal cigarettes because they are already taxed to death.the current loophole now is they sell rolling tobacco as pipe tobacco since it is another taxe class.

when i started smoking cigarettes were 5 bucks a pack in cali and i was 14 at the time,roll your own brands were $1.10 under a different tax class.now it seems every form of tobacco now except cigarellos is being taxed to death,if not by federal its by state tax.it bummed me out when i could by a can of grizzy in fort jackson for $1.35 and when i got to fort hood it was $4 a can,when i deployed a pouch of beechnut was 4.50 or so and i just bought a pouch of levi garret a few days ago and it was $10,and the cheapest brand redman was $9,i just couldnt believe they doubled in price in a little over a year.
 
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in texas and most areas roll you own cigarettes cost the same as normal cigarettes because they are already taxed to death.the current loophole now is they sell rolling tobacco as pipe tobacco since it is another taxe class.

when i started smoking cigarettes were 5 bucks a pack in cali and i was 14 at the time,roll your own brands were $1.10 under a different tax class.now it seems every form of tobacco now except cigarellos is being taxed to death,if not by federal its by state tax.it bummed me out when i could by a can of grizzy in fort jackson for $1.35 and when i got to fort hood it was $4 a can,when i deployed a pouch of beechnut was 4.50 or so and i just bought a pouch of levi garret a few days ago and it was $10,and the cheapest brand redman was $9,i just couldnt believe they doubled in price in a little over a year.
The government is like the mafia. The sue the tobacco manufacturers and take a huge chunk which they pass on to the users, and they tax the hell out of the products which are passed on to the users. Of course the tobacco companies arent going to suffer....they just keep increasing the charge for products. Its funny really....unless...well...you are a user.
 
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Man, it's **** like this that makes me hate those assholes.
Depending on the final price, I may have to quit.

Something I'm not really ready for.
 
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I know "roll your own cigs" have less nicotine, I don't get a buzz off of em, cause I smoke them.

Actually I quit for 7 months last year but didn't want to stay quit. I wanted to see if I could quit.
 
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I know "roll your own cigs" have less nicotine, I don't get a buzz off of em, cause I smoke them.

Actually I quit for 7 months last year but didn't want to stay quit. I wanted to see if I could quit.

I feel myself getting closer to actually wanting to quit.
The desire for a cigarette isn't there, like it used to be.

But hell, I want to quit on my terms, not because taxes are raised to give the tobacco giants and edge of pricing, again.
 
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I feel myself getting closer to actually wanting to quit.
The desire for a cigarette isn't there, like it used to be.

But hell, I want to quit on my terms, not because taxes are raised to give the tobacco giants and edge of pricing, again.

Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.
 
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Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.

They lobbied for these tax increases, because they thought the difference in taxation was unfair.
 
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Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.

From the article

"But the end could be near for roll-your-own cigarette stores, amid outcries from large tobacco companies against a tax loophole that has allowed the stores to thrive, according to a recent Bloomberg report.

Congress in 2009 boosted taxes on ready-made cigarettes at a much higher rate than it did on loose tobacco. The tax difference led to a flood of mom-and-pops that started selling loose tobacco, instead of major brands, and that installed more than 1,900 roll-your-own cigarette machines in 42 states over the past four and a half years, according to data the Wall Street Journal retrieved from RYO Machines, which makes them.

Now lawmakers, backed by Big Tobacco, want shops using the machines to pay the same tax rate as mainstream cigarette manufacturers. "Tobacco is tobacco is tobacco," the CEO of a major North Carolina tobacco producer recently told Bloomberg. "All we want is a level playing field." "

I like the "all we want is a level playing field", I wonder what forms of protection big tobacco gets from the government. While tobacco in general is rather largely demonized; I doubt they are fully without subsidy. I mean for as much as the government taxes tobacco, they don't actually want it to go away because they derive a significant amount of revenue from it.
 
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oh...And it's bipartisan.

Beware of the bipartisan. Another example of why a split government is not "better".

It seems like the only bipartisan movements are the ones to screw people over. Anything that increases someones liberties has to be fought for tooth and nail. But something to push people down? Everyone can get behind that!
 
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Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.

The Anarcho-Capitalist Republican/Libertarians, always taking the side of big corporations against the little guy.
 
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It seems like the only bipartisan movements are the ones to screw people over. Anything that increases someones liberties has to be fought for tooth and nail. But something to push people down? Everyone can get behind that!
Holy smokes.... I am liking and agreeing with a socialist.
 
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Our wonderful government, who thought they were so clever by jacking cig taxes to the extreme. So, what do people do (myself included) we find a cheaper way to smoke. And, in the process, since phillip Morris and the boys are losing major market share because their products have become too expensive, not because of their prices but because of government taxes, they complain. Rightly so actually, but that is the government at work for you. They end up not onlu hurting a major business and companies, but end up losing tax revenue as well. Go-go big government!

If the government was serious about the health benefits, they would not be getting people to go back to the major companies which have even more health risks to their products, but since they are losing tax revenue from their idiocy, well, there ya go. They figured they would get a windfall in taxes cause people will still smoke. They ended up losing tax revenue both by cig sales and the major tobacco companies making less money.
 
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I feel myself getting closer to actually wanting to quit.
The desire for a cigarette isn't there, like it used to be.

But hell, I want to quit on my terms, not because taxes are raised to give the tobacco giants and edge of pricing, again.

If you're going the cold turkey route it takes about 4 months of effort, not 6 days or 2 weeks, 4 months. Although I smoked an average of 5 cigs a day, not a pack a day smoker, might be harder for them.
 
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People don't smoke because they like smoking, although their brain likes to tell them that. They smoke because they are addicted to nicotine and the nicotine causes autosuggestion in the brain that the smoker likes smoking, not that he is addicted to nicotine. It is sort of the same with the Gov't. Since the cigarette manufacturers organize the tax collections for them, then they become partners in the endeavor. Just like nukes. Just like gasoline. Just like electricity. It is simple Corporatism. Not capitalism. Keerist, look at farming, it's just big corporate and no small farmers. Small farmers have been regulated out of the business. SOP for the Corporate control on any market. Corporatism! Think!
 
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People don't smoke because they like smoking, although their brain likes to tell them that. They smoke because they are addicted to nicotine and the nicotine causes autosuggestion in the brain that the smoker likes smoking, not that he is addicted to nicotine. It is sort of the same with the Gov't. Since the cigarette manufacturers organize the tax collections for them, then they become partners in the endeavor. Just like nukes. Just like gasoline. Just like electricity. It is simple Corporatism. Not capitalism. Keerist, look at farming, it's just big corporate and no small farmers. Small farmers have been regulated out of the business. SOP for the Corporate control on any market. Corporatism! Think!
Great points. The more government involvement, the worse what they are involved with becomes. If they were truly serious about the anti smoking, they would just pass a law making tobacco illegal. But, there ain't no tax windfall with that.

As a conservative, I prefer government to have as little involvement as possible in business. There have been times where it has been a good move to take on certain monopolies. That was then. Now, the corruption in government has become so large that not are they no longer protecting from monopolies, they are purposely creating them while limiting and in many cases destroying small business. Sad, very very sad.
 
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For the smokers:

Hubby and I bought a rolling machine about a year ago. With the cost of the tobacco and tubes, we're paying about .90 cents a pack. If you watch tv a couple of hours a week, you can roll a carton and be set for smokes until your next tv moment. Oh yeah, and no 'fire safe' taste cause it's not in there.

Sin tax--BAH!!
 
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Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf

A rider is passing through Congress which will increase taxes on roll your own cigarette stores.

Talked about Pros:

-"The roll your own cigarette stores are a tax loophole," says Senators and Congressmen and Phillip Morris.

-We need taxes, got a budget problem.

-It's a bad addiction.

-My daddy died from smoking, screw Tobacco!

Talked about Cons:

-It's a regressive tax, poor people smoke more.

-It's just big Tobacco snuffing out the competition and stepping on the little guy.


________________

What's not being talked about.

Big Tobacco Cigs have higher nicotine content, they soak paper in nicotine and then mix it in with the tobacco. So while roll your own cig stores might be half the cost they also probably only have half the nicotine, and if that's the case then this is just another case of Big Tobacco maintaining their market share because nobody is going to pay the same price for half the nicotine.

People smoking with these roll your own cigs are inadvertantly subjecting themselves to less nicotine, and therefore less addiction. In a way this new upstart industry helps stop smoking.

There is a loophole around that law. Roll your own tobacco companies use a coarser grade of tobacco, and label it as pipe tobacco (completely within the law), thereby doing an end run around the extra taxes for "cigarette" tobacco. I buy all my tobacco online at 11 bucks a pound, and my smoking habit only costs me 70 cents per pack. For a tube injector, I recommend the Top-O-Matic. Costs a little more than the others, but doesn't break down after a couple of months. The one I am using now I have had for more than 2 years.
 
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We use the Top-O-Matic 2
:)

Where do you get your tobacco from? I get mine from B&B.
 
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Where do you get your tobacco from? I get mine from B&B.

We buy the "Good Stuff" brand from the Indian smoke shop...16.99 a pound. I know it's cheaper to buy on line, I just haven't done it yet. I buy the Premier tubes. We smoked Marlboro or Camels before switching. This ^ is every bit as good.

What does B&B sell that would be comparable to that brand?
 
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We buy the "Good Stuff" brand from the Indian smoke shop...16.99 a pound. I know it's cheaper to buy on line, I just haven't done it yet. I buy the Premier tubes. We smoked Marlboro or Camels before switching. This ^ is every bit as good.

What does B&B sell that would be comparable to that brand?

You have to look around a little to get the best prices, but they always have decent tobacco at $10.99 a pound. Shipping is free if you make a 200 dollar order or higher.

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