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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    oh...And it's bipartisan.

    Beware of the bipartisan. Another example of why a split government is not "better".
    It seems like the only bipartisan movements are the ones to screw people over. Anything that increases someones liberties has to be fought for tooth and nail. But something to push people down? Everyone can get behind that!
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They lobbied for these tax increases, because they thought the difference in taxation was unfair.
    They lobbied for $$$$$$, market share, not out of some noble code of honor for fairness.

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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why are you blaming the cigarette companies? It's the govt that is levying taxes here. Then let the govt remove the taxes from everyone.
    The Anarcho-Capitalist Republican/Libertarians, always taking the side of big corporations against the little guy.

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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    They lobbied for $$$$$$, market share, not out of some noble code of honor for fairness.
    I know, but that was their excuse.
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It seems like the only bipartisan movements are the ones to screw people over. Anything that increases someones liberties has to be fought for tooth and nail. But something to push people down? Everyone can get behind that!
    Holy smokes.... I am liking and agreeing with a socialist.

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    Re: Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf (e

    Our wonderful government, who thought they were so clever by jacking cig taxes to the extreme. So, what do people do (myself included) we find a cheaper way to smoke. And, in the process, since phillip Morris and the boys are losing major market share because their products have become too expensive, not because of their prices but because of government taxes, they complain. Rightly so actually, but that is the government at work for you. They end up not onlu hurting a major business and companies, but end up losing tax revenue as well. Go-go big government!

    If the government was serious about the health benefits, they would not be getting people to go back to the major companies which have even more health risks to their products, but since they are losing tax revenue from their idiocy, well, there ya go. They figured they would get a windfall in taxes cause people will still smoke. They ended up losing tax revenue both by cig sales and the major tobacco companies making less money.

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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I feel myself getting closer to actually wanting to quit.
    The desire for a cigarette isn't there, like it used to be.

    But hell, I want to quit on my terms, not because taxes are raised to give the tobacco giants and edge of pricing, again.
    If you're going the cold turkey route it takes about 4 months of effort, not 6 days or 2 weeks, 4 months. Although I smoked an average of 5 cigs a day, not a pack a day smoker, might be harder for them.

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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    People don't smoke because they like smoking, although their brain likes to tell them that. They smoke because they are addicted to nicotine and the nicotine causes autosuggestion in the brain that the smoker likes smoking, not that he is addicted to nicotine. It is sort of the same with the Gov't. Since the cigarette manufacturers organize the tax collections for them, then they become partners in the endeavor. Just like nukes. Just like gasoline. Just like electricity. It is simple Corporatism. Not capitalism. Keerist, look at farming, it's just big corporate and no small farmers. Small farmers have been regulated out of the business. SOP for the Corporate control on any market. Corporatism! Think!
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    Re: Roll your own cigarette's gonna get taxed

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    People don't smoke because they like smoking, although their brain likes to tell them that. They smoke because they are addicted to nicotine and the nicotine causes autosuggestion in the brain that the smoker likes smoking, not that he is addicted to nicotine. It is sort of the same with the Gov't. Since the cigarette manufacturers organize the tax collections for them, then they become partners in the endeavor. Just like nukes. Just like gasoline. Just like electricity. It is simple Corporatism. Not capitalism. Keerist, look at farming, it's just big corporate and no small farmers. Small farmers have been regulated out of the business. SOP for the Corporate control on any market. Corporatism! Think!
    Great points. The more government involvement, the worse what they are involved with becomes. If they were truly serious about the anti smoking, they would just pass a law making tobacco illegal. But, there ain't no tax windfall with that.

    As a conservative, I prefer government to have as little involvement as possible in business. There have been times where it has been a good move to take on certain monopolies. That was then. Now, the corruption in government has become so large that not are they no longer protecting from monopolies, they are purposely creating them while limiting and in many cases destroying small business. Sad, very very sad.

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    Re: Roll-Your-Own Cigarette Stores Pay Price For Encroaching On Big Tobacco's Turf (e

    For the smokers:

    Hubby and I bought a rolling machine about a year ago. With the cost of the tobacco and tubes, we're paying about .90 cents a pack. If you watch tv a couple of hours a week, you can roll a carton and be set for smokes until your next tv moment. Oh yeah, and no 'fire safe' taste cause it's not in there.

    Sin tax--BAH!!


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