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Democrats boycott Coke, Walmart over voter ID laws

poweRob said:
Exactly. Somehow Guerilla is saying you aren't helping your local community at all by doing this and your community would magically do as well if not better if you just went to walmart for all of that. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Perhaps that's true... but it's easier for me as a consumer most times and I don't get to ask Abbey how the kids are doing in softball camp when I'm at the box store buying plastic bagged peppers. :shrug:
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Working for money, rather than growing and building everything you need, is more efficient.
Instead of spending lots of time, specializing in every thing, creating materials of varying quality, it's more efficient to make one type of thing with superior quality and sell it for money.

In turn, you can buy other superior quality materials, with your cash.
There's a reason money has replaced bartering, it's simply more efficient, the world over.
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Working for a currency is more efficient IF you are in a society that works to grow trade and improve trade. That says nothing about how it is a better society than all others.

It's simply not our place to tell the rest of the world to act more like us. If they want to be more like us, fine. That's their job to get to that point. Not ours to foist on them our standards.

Just because money makes our world go round doesn't mean money makes everyone's world go round nor does everyone want it to make their world go round.
 
poweRob said:
Raise a chicken. Eat it.

Don't make me break out that beloved libertarian quote of teach a man to fish thing.



Just because you live in a monied economy doesn't mean it's the only way or the best way to live.

How come your schpeil isn't converting the Amish into day traders?
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How is somebody suppose to acquire the chicken they're going to raise?
 
Dems seem to prefer crack to Coke so its no big deal:mrgreen:
 
Ockham said:
Perhaps that's true... but it's easier for me as a consumer most times and I don't get to ask Abbey how the kids are doing in softball camp when I'm at the box store buying plastic bagged peppers. :shrug:
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It all kind of boils down to the benefits of decentralized power where money = power. Decentralized money means decentralized spending. The inverse is centralized wealth and spending hence centralized power.

Diversified spending (which spending locally is a part of) keeps us all from the living off the effects of trickle down economies from more centralized centers of power. It keeps your local economies empowered.
 
poweRob said:
Working for a currency is more efficient IF you are in a society that works to grow trade and improve trade. That says nothing about how it is a better society than all others.

It's simply not our place to tell the rest of the world to act more like us. If they want to be more like us, fine. That's their job to get to that point. Not ours to foist on them our standards.

Just because money makes our world go round doesn't mean money makes everyone's world go round nor does everyone want it to make their world go round.
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We aren't telling them to do anything.
They simply are, because they've adopted the standard, they also realize that it's much more efficient to tote around $3000 in your pocket vs. $3000 worth of chickens.
It's easier to pay for things that way.
 
poweRob said:
Exactly. Somehow Guerilla is saying you aren't helping your local community at all by doing this and your community would magically do as well if not better if you just went to walmart for all of that. Doesn't make sense to me.
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No, I don't believe in buying local, when I can.

I'll buy local, if the price is lower or it's convenient for me, at that moment.
If it's not, I won't.

There is no reason for me to pay more, just because the business is local.
It supports inefficient business measures and inefficient household spending.
 
poweRob said:
Just the way they always had before money came about.
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I'm thinking about Guinea hens this year.... not to eat but to keep around the house and keep the insects down... I'd get them from a couple I know in town next to my dentist office. They usually have a few dozen chicks in the spring to sell.... they also have chickens and chicks about this time of year as well. Many go for Easter.
 
poweRob said:
Far more of the money spent locally stays local then if you buy at a giant retail store which funnels as much as they can back to HQ... Bentonville, AR in this case.
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Bentonville IS local.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
No, I don't believe in buying local, when I can.

I'll buy local, if the price is lower or it's convenient for me, at that moment.
If it's not, I won't.

There is no reason for me to pay more, just because the business is local.
It supports inefficient business measures and inefficient household spending.
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And yours supports lowering American standards of living because some despot somewhere in the world is willing to allow their populace to be exploited and/or using prison, child and slave labor... because it's cheaper for you.

I swear to God the best libertarian documentary I've ever seen is Idiocracy. Everything you need sold at the one Costco. And Brawndo running commercials about how plants crave electrolytes.

The bottom line difference between libertarian fiscal philosophy and mine is that libertarians believe that money is a repairing influence and I believe that money is a corrupting influence.
 
Ockham said:
I'm thinking about Guinea hens this year.... not to eat but to keep around the house and keep the insects down... I'd get them from a couple I know in town next to my dentist office. They usually have a few dozen chicks in the spring to sell.... they also have chickens and chicks about this time of year as well. Many go for Easter.
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My mother was going to do that on her small farm as well to keep the insects down. Smart idea. You might consider building a bat house to keep the flying insects down. Saw a piece written by an entymologist who used strategically placed spiders and lizards for his pest control. He knew their territorial limits and whatnot and had them guarding the yard and place. Pretty cool.
 
poweRob said:
As much as you might not like this, unionizing would help stabilize Wal-Mart and their ****ty practices. Back in GA when I lived there, a Sam's club meat department mentioned that they'd like to consider becoming a union. Wal-Mart not only shut down that meat department and laid them off immediately, they shut down many other meat departments around the state to cover their ass by saying that they simply wanted to shut down meat departments and that it had nothing at all to do with them mentioning unionizing. So they sacrificed many employees' jobs that had nothing to with the one that wanted to unionize just to thwart unions.

They actually have a anti-union swat team that flies in from Bentonville, AR to anywhere there is talk of unions to show videos and talk the employees out of it.

Sad thing is, I started 2 weeks after Sam Walton himself died... then big changes came. Sam was rather proud that they bought products locally to sell. He was really really proud of that. When the old man kicked it, that's when they started shifting everything to China until now where the HQ for walmart purchasing is located in China.

Then the purchasing bullying that walmart deployed on local goods became asinine. They would sell your product in their store, then come back every quarter and say, "if you want to continue selling your product in our stores you will lower your price to (?)." That bullying destroyed local manufacturing because they pulled loans to expand production greatly to be able to meet Walmart sales only to have walmart tell them that they cannot sell their product profitably enough to afford their manufacturing.

Sick company.
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i'm not an anti-walmart zealot, but i dislike the company enough not to shop there. i don't like the way they treat their workers, and i dislike their "cheap stuff at any cost" business model.

as a scientist, i look at franchising / expansion / market share a bit like cell division. cell division is beneficial; we are able to heal because of it, and the body is better off. however, some cell division can become metastasis, and in this case, the entire body suffers. this is not a perfect analogy, and i'm not arguing that Walmart is a form of cancer. however, corporations of a certain massive size do begin to share some traits with cancer in that the outcome becomes a net negative to competition and consumer choice, and it begins to have a negative effect on other parts of the economy.
 
What if...? said:
I think everybody would be more comfortable with voter ID laws if they included mechanisms to ensure they don't disenfranchise legal voters in any way. Extra staffing at issuing places, drives, free ids for anyone who can't afford it, etc.

So it looks like a defense of the legitimacy of our electoral process.

Unfortunately, they don't include these mechanisms.

So it LOOKS like an attempt to lower voter turnout because low turnout tends to favor Republicans historically.

Its an underhanded campaign tactic, but not without precedent.(on both sides)
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Georgia has those mechanisms in place for its voter ID laws. Free IDs for those who can't afford them.
 
poweRob said:
So you use this boycott rant to state that you want to up your arms. Interesting what a seemingly irrelevant tie in you chose to use.
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I just happen to really want to buy those things. They have good prices on ammo.

And I have to admit ever since my very liberal brother-in-law mentioned to me several years ago that he doesn't like Walmart because it is non-union, that gave me another excuse to go there. I started going to Walmart originally because it had almost everything in one place for low prices, but then I figured out that it is an added bonus that shopping Walmart annoys some liberals. Bad I know, but it makes me laugh. Now some people are boycotting it because they are against the simple thing of showing an ID to vote and they are connecting that to Walmart...it just makes me want to go there even more. And since I didn't make it there today, I will probably buy ammo (and other things like Coke) from there tomorrow.
 
muciti said:
they do it by encouraging sweat shops and extreme poverty and horrid working conditions for people all over the world. They do it by taking over towns economies and forcing their competition to shut down. They do it by ruinging small businesses. They do it by treating their employees like utter **** with crap wages and even ****tier benefits. They do it by selling the lowest quality of products imaginable. Walmart incorporates every dirty tactic they can to benefit themselves. Walmart is why our economy, and much of the worlds economy is going to ****. Nothing walmart does benefits humanity in any way.
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Mechanize must be cheap at Walmart, I'll have to go there and load up.
 
Boycotts are legitimate forms of protest.
 
Grim17 said:
The democrats and their economic terrorism are a success... Gratz comrades.
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Come on Grim. Again with the boycotts = terrorism? Seriously?

If people think the Dems have a point, they are within their rights to boycott said product. If they think Dems are full of crap, they are free to ignore the call to boycott. All is fair in love and war. Seriously don't get what's the big deal.
 
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muciti said:
I hope they go through with it. I dont support their reasons but walmart is the most disgusting corporation on earth and does more to destroy lives than any other group, organization or person in the history of the world. I support any efforts to boycott walmart.
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Are you sure? Something tells me you typed that in haste without a shred of thought.
 
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