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Democrats boycott Coke, Walmart over voter ID laws

muciti said:
They do it by selling the lowest quality of products imaginable.
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Let's be honest about this for a moment. Consider the prices they charge for the products that are of "low quality." Consider the prices of products that are of higher quality. Much of the time, you will have to spend more money to get the higher quality. Walmart aims at the customer base that tries to avoid that sort of a purchase on a regular basis. I generally see no shame involved. Frequently, further, on many products the quality aspect is not there. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is just overplayed. Much of the time what happens is you save several pennies here or there on the exact same product, or you get their in-house brand product which does a decent job for a significantly lower price (same with Target).

Walmart's goods quality is a problem to more premium shoppers, not its consumer base. That's why you won't see me shopping there for a certain number of products, but you will see me avidly buying portions of their grocery section and other goods that are relatively the same for cheaper.

Frequently what I do not like about Walmart is its store upkeep, but not generally its products.
 
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muciti said:
I wish more people would not step into walmart for 15 years. Nothing would make me happier than to see Walmart leave so we can get back to American manufacturing and businesses start opening back up.
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Ain't gonna happen just 'cause Wal-mart leaves. Almost every industry that relies on manufacturing relies on cheap overseas labor. It's absolutely idiotic to think that Wal-Mart leaving would reintroduce manufacturing jobs. At best, we might see a few more mom and pop's, but the most likely result is massive unemployment in the short term and probably a significant increase in pricing as well, further perpetuating the massive hit the economy.
 
Fiddytree said:
Let's be honest about this for a moment. Consider the prices they charge for the products that are of "low quality." Consider the prices of products that are of higher quality. Much of the time, you will have to spend more money to get the higher quality. Walmart aims at the customer base that tries to avoid that sort of a purchase on a regular basis. I generally see no shame involved.

Walmart's goods quality is a problem to more premium shoppers, not its consumer base. That's why you won't see me shopping there for a certain number of products, but you will see me avidly buying portions of their grocery section and other goods that are relatively the same for cheaper.

Frequently what I do not like about Walmart is its store upkeep, but not generally its products.
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They do it by exploiting ****ty working conditions overseas, importing crap, treating employees like crap and cutting benefits.
 
tessaesque said:
Ain't gonna happen just 'cause Wal-mart leaves. Almost every industry that relies on manufacturing relies on cheap overseas labor. It's absolutely idiotic to think that Wal-Mart leaving would reintroduce manufacturing jobs. At best, we might see a few more mom and pop's, but the most likely result is massive unemployment in the short term and probably a significant increase in pricing as well, further perpetuating the massive hit the economy.
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If walmart left and thus stopped importing the chinese crap that they do, it is very reasonable to believe that american made product sales would increase.
 
muciti said:
If walmart left and thus stopped importing the chinese crap that they do, it is very reasonable to believe that american made product sales would increase.
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What American made products?
 
MaggieD said:
Muciti, I always agree with you! But not here. And here's my subjective reason:

I have family in coal country Kentucky...real boonies. I used to visit them every year. The nearest chain store was about 50 miles away. Manchester, KY to London, KY, before the Daniel Boone Parkway cut that in half. It was close to an hour-and-a-half drive. That's how far they had to drive to get competitive prices on anything. The local store owners, like a dimestore, drug store, grocery store, were, well, like having to shop in a gas station's grocery mart. The prices was sky high. People were eking out livings working for these little stores...minimum wage...no benefits. Those -- and the underground coal mines. Not even vacations.

Then came WalMart. Suddenly, people could buy things at much more competitive prices. Suddenly, there were 75 or so (not sure on this) much better jobs. An opportunity for advancement. An opportunity to earn more than minimum wage. Hospitalization. Vacations. When WalMart came to town? The town began to flourish.

That's my subjective view. Then, there's this:



I'm not sure what it takes to go on your A-List, but I think this is a very good start.
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Thanks but nothing you will ever say or do wiill ever change my opinion of Walmart. Walmart, more than politicians or other corporations or anything else on earth is what is wrong with this world. I could care less how many scraps they throw out for public image. The majority of those charities would not be needed if Walmart wasnt destroying our country.
 
muciti said:
Thanks but nothing you will ever say or do wiill ever change my opinion of Walmart. Walmart, more than politicians or other corporations or anything else on earth is what is wrong with this world. I could care less how many scraps they throw out for public image. The majority of those charities would not be needed if Walmart wasnt destroying our country.
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So basically...you'd like us to stop refuting your unsubstantiated, hyperbolic claims with the use of fact? Gotcha.
 
muciti said:
I wish more people would not step into walmart for 15 years. Nothing would make me happier than to see Walmart leave so we can get back to American manufacturing and businesses start opening back up.
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As much as you might not like this, unionizing would help stabilize Wal-Mart and their ****ty practices. Back in GA when I lived there, a Sam's club meat department mentioned that they'd like to consider becoming a union. Wal-Mart not only shut down that meat department and laid them off immediately, they shut down many other meat departments around the state to cover their ass by saying that they simply wanted to shut down meat departments and that it had nothing at all to do with them mentioning unionizing. So they sacrificed many employees' jobs that had nothing to with the one that wanted to unionize just to thwart unions.

They actually have a anti-union swat team that flies in from Bentonville, AR to anywhere there is talk of unions to show videos and talk the employees out of it.

Sad thing is, I started 2 weeks after Sam Walton himself died... then big changes came. Sam was rather proud that they bought products locally to sell. He was really really proud of that. When the old man kicked it, that's when they started shifting everything to China until now where the HQ for walmart purchasing is located in China.

Then the purchasing bullying that walmart deployed on local goods became asinine. They would sell your product in their store, then come back every quarter and say, "if you want to continue selling your product in our stores you will lower your price to (?)." That bullying destroyed local manufacturing because they pulled loans to expand production greatly to be able to meet Walmart sales only to have walmart tell them that they cannot sell their product profitably enough to afford their manufacturing.

Sick company.
 
tessaesque said:
What American made products?
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The ones that were being made here prior to walmart and their chinese sweat shop labor prices and disgusting consumers who buy their crap pushing them out of our country. Kind of like the poeple who used to be able to make a decent living working in retail.
 
muciti said:
They do it by exploiting ****ty working conditions overseas, importing crap, treating employees like crap and cutting benefits.
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Which is why we need to go back to fair trade with tariffs and disban free trade pacts.
 
muciti said:
They do it by exploiting ****ty working conditions overseas, importing crap, treating employees like crap and cutting benefits.
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I am more concerned about domestic working conditions, which seem to vary across the country. That is a concern to me. As far as exploitative working conditions overseas, when compared to what existed beforehand for these people, this is a step up. Not glamorous, and not acceptable to us. They are developing nations, and I am fine with a degree of exploitation, given that it is a significant improvement.
 
poweRob said:
As much as you might not like this, unionizing would help stabilize Wal-Mart and their ****ty practices. Back in GA when I lived there, a Sam's club meat department mentioned that they'd like to consider becoming a union. Wal-Mart not only shut down that meat department and laid them off immediately, they shut down many other meat departments around the state to cover their ass by saying that they simply wanted to shut down meat departments and that it had nothing at all to do with them mentioning unionizing. So they sacrificed many employees' jobs that had nothing to with the one that wanted to unionize just to thwart unions.

They actually have a anti-union swat team that flies in from Bentonville, AR to anywhere there is talk of unions to show videos and talk the employees out of it.

Sad thing is, I started 2 weeks after Sam Walton himself died... then big changes came. Sam was rather proud that they bought products locally to sell. He was really really proud of that. When the old man kicked it, that's when they started shifting everything to China until now where the HQ for walmart purchasing is located in China.

Then the purchasing bullying that walmart deployed on local goods became asinine. They would sell your product in their store, then come back every quarter and say, "if you want to continue selling your product in our stores you will lower your price to (?)." That bullying destroyed local manufacturing because they pulled loans to expand production greatly to be able to meet Walmart sales only to have walmart tell them that they cannot sell their product profitably enough to afford their manufacturing.

Sick company.
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People wont care. They only care that they can save $0.12 on their ramen and be glad to give their money to people who are ruining us.

There are a couple movies on netflix about walmart and similar practices. High price of low cost was a great insight.
 
Fiddytree said:
I am more concerned about domestic working conditions, which seem to vary across the country. That is a concern to me. As far as exploitative working conditions overseas, when compared to what existed beforehand for these people, this is a step up. Not glamorous, and not acceptable to us. They are developing nations, and I am fine with a degree of exploitation, given that it is a significant improvement.
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to me it is not ok to force people to work inhumanely in sweapshops so i can save a few cents and walmart management can get rich.
 
muciti said:
Thanks but nothing you will ever say or do wiill ever change my opinion of Walmart. Walmart, more than politicians or other corporations or anything else on earth is what is wrong with this world. I could care less how many scraps they throw out for public image. The majority of those charities would not be needed if Walmart wasnt destroying our country.
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WalMart is just exploiting Free Trade agreements which limits us on establishing fair trade standards. It's the laws that are flawed. But WalMart does fund the crap out of politicians that support free trade so it comes full circle.
 
muciti said:
People wont care. They only care that they can save $0.12 on their ramen and be glad to give their money to people who are ruining us.

There are a couple movies on netflix about walmart and similar practices. High price of low cost was a great insight.
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Gotta love documentaries. They allow everyone to feel morally superior to the Right.
 
Mach said:
So by winning in fair, legal competition in the spirit of the freem market, they are all that is evil in the world?
Didn't Walmart beging dominating because they had innovated better logistics and and a better business model, that people CHOSE to support with their feet/dollars?
They take over towns? You mean the towns allow them to come in, and the people buy their stuff? Crazy! This is outrageous!!

I don't shop at Wal-Mart, but why would you want to destroy so many peoples preferred place to shop, and where many choose to be employed? Your way or the highway? Should any business opening its doors check with you first to see if on a whim you like them or not? What a mini-tyrant you are!
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While not limited to Walmart by any means Walmart is one of the biggest contributors to the problem. They are in part the reason we have hundreds of billions in trade deficits to countries with cheap labor and lax labor laws. Instead of consumers paying a few percent more for an item and supporting native manufacturers they instead send our wealth and jobs overseas. Many of the former second and third rate countries that are now improving are largely due to US trade agreements. That is wealth that could have stayed in our own country. While it may make good business sense to use these practices it is not doing the country and favors long term.

TheNextEra said:
I wouldn't call moving into a town, lowering your prices to the point it drives local businesses out, then raising your prices without competition exactly fair.
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I had an employer that did this very thing they even had teams specifically trained to achieve this. These teams moved into each new location to establish the business as the dominate factor in its area by lowering prices below any competition even taking losses to do so and offering more variety. In a few years when most of the competition had been driven out/under they would then raise prices and lower variety to only the most lucrative offerings. Once this happened competition would slowly start to creep back in but generally they would have several years with little to no contenders in which they could make a significant profit. When profits started to suffer from added competition they would simply reestablish the tactic driving adversaries away again.
 
muciti said:
The ones that were being made here prior to walmart and their chinese sweat shop labor prices and disgusting consumers who buy their crap pushing them out of our country. Kind of like the poeple who used to be able to make a decent living working in retail.
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Again, as before, do you have any links what-so-ever to back up any of the crap you keep posting? You're saying a lot of stuff with absolutely no support to back it up.
 
muciti said:
to me it is not ok to force people to work inhumanely in sweapshops so i can save a few cents and walmart management can get rich.
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It's fine with me, with the important factor being an improvement for the people in that country.
 
tessaesque said:
So basically...you'd like us to stop refuting your unsubstantiated, hyperbolic claims with the use of fact? Gotcha.
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Dont try to paraphrase want I say to make it more basic for your own comprehension failures. If you want to quote me then quote me. If you need it simplified ask me for help and I'll help you understand when its too complicated.
 
Porchev said:
Democratic officials Wednesday launched a two-pronged attack on states with new laws requiring identification before voting, the highlight being a call to boycott Coke, Walmart and others that back a leading organization pushing for voter ID laws.
Democrats boycott Coke, Walmart over voter ID laws | Washington Examiner

Voter ID laws seem common sense to me. It creates more confidence in the election results and reduces fraudulent voting.

This push to boycott Walmart just makes me want to go there right now and buy several things. To start I could use some more ammo…9mm, 7.62 x 39mm, .308, and some shotgun shells.
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I think everybody would be more comfortable with voter ID laws if they included mechanisms to ensure they don't disenfranchise legal voters in any way. Extra staffing at issuing places, drives, free ids for anyone who can't afford it, etc.

So it looks like a defense of the legitimacy of our electoral process.

Unfortunately, they don't include these mechanisms.

So it LOOKS like an attempt to lower voter turnout because low turnout tends to favor Republicans historically.

Its an underhanded campaign tactic, but not without precedent.(on both sides)
 
Hurt business because those businesses value Voter ID laws?

I don't get it.

Well, looks like I should splurge at Wal-Mart for garden supplies. :mrgreen:
 
Fiddytree said:
I am more concerned about domestic working conditions, which seem to vary across the country. That is a concern to me. As far as exploitative working conditions overseas, when compared to what existed beforehand for these people, this is a step up. Not glamorous, and not acceptable to us. They are developing nations, and I am fine with a degree of exploitation, given that it is a significant improvement.
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"Improvement" in this scenario is a very subjective term. Changing from more agrarian to manufacturing and saying that "look, they make more money now" is an improvement... well that is up for debate. More money does not exactly mean someone is doing better.
 
muciti said:
Dont try to paraphrase want I say to make it more basic for your own comprehension failures. If you want to quote me then quote me. If you need it simplified ask me for help and I'll help you understand when its too complicated.
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Oh, this is cute.

Again: do you have links to back up any of your so-far unsubstantiated, hyperbolic claims?
 
You know, I wish politics would keep its head out of business.
 
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