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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't mind loan guarantees ( it's better than subsidies anyways) for some of this stuff.... nuclear especially.

    ....but not loans guarantees for something that is cheaper to import from Chinese... that just stupid.
    LOL. There's notihng that is not cheaper to import from China if the Chinese want it that way.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL. There's notihng that is not cheaper to import from China if the Chinese want it that way.
    Mexican jumping beans aren't cheaper to import from China.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If those business were as wonderful as you say, they wouldn't be going bankrupt.
    Businesses fail all the time. Only solar gets media attention when it happens. What nobody is reporting is how many succeed. Only a small fraction of the total solar companies are failing.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't mind loan guarantees ( it's better than subsidies anyways) for some of this stuff.... nuclear especially.

    ....but not loans guarantees for something that is cheaper to import from Chinese... that just stupid.
    Ahhh....so lets just out source everything to foreign countries that make things cheaper. The whole point behind this effort is to make the U.S. energy INDEPENDENT. This would just supplant our reliance on foreign oil to our reliance on Chinese solar technology. If befuddles me to now end the cognitive dissonance of the conservative movement. Conservatives know that no matter how much oil we drill we cannot become energy independent but they keep pretending we can. Then when the government takes the active steps needed to ensure our energy independence by providing incentives for alternative energy they cry foul. Making the nation energy independent if vital to our national security. We cannot have a nation unless we learn to be self-sufficient. In order to do that we need to develope internal means of providing alternative energy other than oil. In order to provide that alternative energy the government must provide incentives in order to develop that alternative. To do anything less would be forever chain us to endless wars to secure needed energy or foreign influence and domination to secure our energy. Either scenario is and should be unacceptable.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post

    Like we have any to waste.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I've read about 7% transmission loss, but never 50%. Got a link for that?
    I don't have a link. I had a chart from an energy class I took at the college and there is some forumula for energy loss in transmission line based on the distance it travels. Of course the longer the distance you send it the more that is lost and it had the max electrical energy produced in the US and where it went and it had slightly over 50% lost in transmission and through the grounds in our homes.

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    We don't currently have an electricity problem, but if EVs become popular, that will change in a big way. With gas prices climbing out of control, I would say it is a certainty. My personal guess is that we'll see an EV boom within 5 - 10 years. When that happens, we WILL see an electricity problem. Knowing that building a nuclear plant takes 4 years if all goes well, it would be a good idea to start building now. I don't want to take away from solar plants. We'll need those too, especially since they can be brought on line faster than nuclear. But until better storage systems can be produced, solar will have to be a support system to augment other systems, like nuclear and NG.
    The amount of money that it takes to build nuclear doesn't seem worth it. Not only does it ALWAYS over run projected costs they also always divert the costs of cleanup and not to mention the fact that that land is useless after tear down for eons. Just put the money in insulating lost distance power lines then wind and solar farms behind that. Peak use is during the day so solar can help handle that surge.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I don't have a link. I had a chart from an energy class I took at the college and there is some forumula for energy loss in transmission line based on the distance it travels. Of course the longer the distance you send it the more that is lost and it had the max electrical energy produced in the US and where it went and it had slightly over 50% lost in transmission and through the grounds in our homes.
    Here's what I was looking at recently:
    Transmitting electricity at high voltage reduces the fraction of energy lost to resistance, which averages around 7%.[8] For a given amount of power, a higher voltage reduces the current and thus the resistive losses in the conductor. For example, raising the voltage by a factor of 10 reduces the current by a corresponding factor of 10 and therefore the I2R losses by a factor of 100, provided the same sized conductors are used in both cases. Even if the conductor size (cross-sectional area) is reduced 10-fold to match the lower current the I2R losses are still reduced 10-fold. Long distance transmission is typically done with overhead lines at voltages of 115 to 1,200 kV. At extremely high voltages, more than 2,000 kV between conductor and ground, corona discharge losses are so large that they can offset the lower resistance loss in the line conductors. Measures to reduce corona losses include conductors having large diameter; often hollow to save weight,[9] or bundles of two or more conductors.

    Transmission and distribution losses in the USA were estimated at 6.6% in 1997[10] and 6.5% in 2007.[10] In general, losses are estimated from the discrepancy between energy produced (as reported by power plants) and energy sold to end customers; the difference between what is produced and what is consumed constitute transmission and distribution losses.
    But I would still agree with you that we would be well-served to upgrade and modernize our electric transmission lines. It would save us power in the long run.


    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    The amount of money that it takes to build nuclear doesn't seem worth it. Not only does it ALWAYS over run projected costs they also always divert the costs of cleanup and not to mention the fact that that land is useless after tear down for eons. Just put the money in insulating lost distance power lines then wind and solar farms behind that. Peak use is during the day so solar can help handle that surge.
    We've gotten a lot better about nuclear waste handling since the early days of nuclear power. The technology at large has improved tremendously since the US was active in it. If we used nuclear Thorium pebble-bed technology it would be far safer and able to consume much of it's own waste. And nuclear would never be affected by storms or cloudy days. One nuclear plant could serve many counties as a backup when those areas don't receive enough sunlight. As much as I love wind and solar technologies, they do in all honesty have an intermittency problem. Nuclear can fill in that gap and support counties that aren't getting enough wind or sun. Operated together nuclear, wind, and solar can help do away with not only oil use (by powering electric cars) but the environmentally destructive coal as well without any loss of convenience that we're used to.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    I'm a fan of seeing these built. Solar Chimney.


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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Businesses fail all the time. Only solar gets media attention when it happens. What nobody is reporting is how many succeed. Only a small fraction of the total solar companies are failing.
    Most firms aren't facing competition who's backed with cheap land, cheap labor, cheap utilities, virtually free loans and endless lines of credit. I've explained this a dozen times but some people here are either too stupid to understand it or intentionally ignoring evidence that destroys their partisan arguments.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Businesses fail all the time. Only solar gets media attention when it happens. What nobody is reporting is how many succeed. Only a small fraction of the total solar companies are failing.
    It's gets media attention because Obama wasted our tax dollars on ill planned ventures.
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