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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well then how about quoting someone who is against renewable energy and post it here?

    Do you understand the difference between throwing public money at iffy propositions and being against renewable energy?
    Garsh, no, I have no idea. Say, Barney, do you know?

    No, me neither. Don't none of us know about that there iffy proposition. What do you think, Cletus?

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    The greenies have a different definition of "renewable", and it's always really expensive.
    Perhaps the claim should have been "there are people who are against renewable energy if it is too expensive, inefficient and related to crony capitalism". Then there might have been some agreement.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps the claim should have been "there are people who are against renewable energy if it is too expensive, inefficient and related to crony capitalism". Then there might have been some agreement.
    The greenies are also ruled by group identity politics. If a righty is for it, then naturally they are against it, or they will find a way to be against it, even if they thought they were originally for it.

    vice versa.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps the claim should have been "there are people who are against renewable energy if it is too expensive, inefficient and related to crony capitalism". Then there might have been some agreement.
    Right. I'll bet it will just so happen that every single form of renewable energy is, "too expensive, inefficient and related to crony capitalism," correct?
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Right. I'll bet it will just so happen that every single form of renewable energy is, "too expensive, inefficient and related to crony capitalism," correct?
    I wouldn't take that bet.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I wouldn't take that bet.
    Then I'll also bet you cannot name a single kind of renewable energy or renewable energy project that you currently support. I'll be waiting a very long time for a reply with any substance on this.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Then I'll also bet you cannot name a single kind of renewable energy or renewable energy project that you currently support. I'll be waiting a very long time for a reply with any substance on this.
    I support all renewable energy investigations and might invest in those I thought to be headed by reliable and experienced people and had the chance of a profitable return. But I would only invest my money in any such venture, not yours or anyone elses, unless I were asked. I do not want inexperienced people throwing my money at their political friends with the claimed hope that something good might come of it.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Then I'll also bet you cannot name a single kind of renewable energy or renewable energy project that you currently support. I'll be waiting a very long time for a reply with any substance on this.

    I think a lot of people would support funding the basic research that will solve this problem. That has been a key role of the federal government for decades and has had many successes.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I support all renewable energy investigations and might invest in those I thought to be headed by reliable and experienced people and had the chance of a profitable return. But I would only invest my money in any such venture, not yours or anyone elses, unless I were asked. I do not want inexperienced people throwing my money at their political friends with the claimed hope that something good might come of it.
    A post of "If onlys." Exactly as I predicted there is no substance to this post. So should I conclude now, that you support renewables, just NO RENEWABLES in existence, right?
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think a lot of people would support funding the basic research that will solve this problem. That has been a key role of the federal government for decades and has had many successes.
    I think so too. Trouble is, people who are against renewables are insisting upon continued research only as a means of burying renewables altogether. They know as well as anyone that ANY new technology cannot compete cost-wise with a firmly entrenched, highly manufactured existing technology. The best way to drive the cost down is to actually take action and build the new tech. As larger manufacturing production runs are produced, the cost will nosedive. Actual use will also produce better information about improving the product than any small think-tank could produce. Manufacturing and product improvements will drive the cost down further, which trigger even larger production runs, and still the cost drops.

    This is common knowledge to anyone who's bothered to pay attention to the process. The game that anti-renewable forces are playing is hoping that people know more about how reality TV shows work, than they do about basic economics. If anti-renewable forces can trick folks into thinking more research and better leadership is needed before doing anything (and thereby halting any manufacturing), they can insure the only cost we ever see for renewables is the prototype cost which is orders of magnitude higher than the full-blown production cost. In turn they can show off this deceptively high prototype cost, and claim more research is needed, because the new tech isn't cost competetive enough. Push it back into research and the next prototype will also be too expensive, and so on, and so on. It's a nice feedback loop that guarantees renewables will NEVER be used. This is their entire goal. The best part is they can claim they're supporting renewables with this dog and pony show, when they're actually completely against it. The game of anti-renewable pundits is ridiculously transparent when viewed with common sense.
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