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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Brilliant repartee aside, who doesn't support renewable energy?
    Self described conservatives who think of renewable energy as "green", and therefore liberal and bad, and who think all we need to do is drill, baby, drill, and we can have $2 gasoline by edict of the president.

    I've heard their rants, haven't you?
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Self described conservatives who think of renewable energy as "green", and therefore liberal and bad, and who think all we need to do is drill, baby, drill, and we can have $2 gasoline by edict of the president.

    I've heard their rants, haven't you?
    And then the Greens and Libertarians met on the extreme edges of the political spectrum.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    Now, there's a brilliant reparte, to which I can only reply, no it doesn't and some do and some don't.
    Yes it does, and you are not part of "We".

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Self described conservatives who think of renewable energy as "green", and therefore liberal and bad, and who think all we need to do is drill, baby, drill, and we can have $2 gasoline by edict of the president.

    I've heard their rants, haven't you?
    Perhaps my question wasn't clear enough.

    Who is against renewable energy? Do you have any names and the reasons why they are against renewable energy?

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who is against renewable energy? Do you have any names and the reasons why they are against renewable energy?
    Perhaps this will answer your question:

    Yesterday, 47 United States Senators voted to kill 37,000 American jobs, while giving $24 billion in tax breaks to big oil companies. It’s clear where these Senators’ loyalties lie: They would rather give handouts to the dirty energy of the past rather than invest in the clean energy of the future.
    [...]
    This bill would do two things: End several egregious subsidies to big oil companies, while extending industry-supporting incentives for clean energy. Among those incentives is the critical Production Tax Credit, which encourages investment in wind energy. As we’ve reported before, raising taxes on the emerging wind power industry by failing to extend this credit will kill 37,000 jobs. Indeed, we’ve already seen layoffs as manufacturing companies prepare for the worst.
    [...]
    Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) had this to say about the Repeal Big Oil Tax Subsidies Act:

    My vote today was based largely on concerns over extending tax credits for a number of renewable technologies. Government should avoid picking winners and losers, and should allow the marketplace to work.

    Wrap your head around that for a second. Senator Webb had two choices: Support Big Oil, or support clean energy. For all his tortured reasoning about allowing the marketplace to work, Webb can’t deny that he voted for $24 billion in tax subsidies to Big Oil companies.
    47 US Senators Support Oil Subsidies, but Vote to Kill Wind Energy Jobs - CleanTechnica

    Here is a list of the 49 Senators who are opposing renewables as demonstrated by their vote:

    Alexander (R-TN)
    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Brown (R-MA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Moran (R-KS)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Warner (D-VA)
    Webb (D-VA)
    Wicker (R-MS)
    U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps my question wasn't clear enough.

    Who is against renewable energy? Do you have any names and the reasons why they are against renewable energy?
    The reason why, as I said, is that they consider green energy to be liberal and therefore bad. Maybe you haven't heard their rants after all. Well, here's one.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The reason why, as I said, is that they consider green energy to be liberal and therefore bad. Maybe you haven't heard their rants after all. Well, here's one.
    I swear, that guy is certifiable. Either that or he's a full-blown believer in the adage: Tell a lie enough times, and it becomes the truth.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'm a fan of seeing these built. Solar Chimney.


    That is the dumbest green idea I have ever heard about in my life. It will cost cost several billion dollars at least. And it can only generate 200 MW. If you want to go green, why don't they just replace the mat, with solar panels and remove the chimney. That will produce far more electricity, and cost way less.

    That is why the green movement is failing. They want to live in a high tech, green utopia, but in fact we live in reality.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Perhaps this will answer your question:


    47 US Senators Support Oil Subsidies, but Vote to Kill Wind Energy Jobs - CleanTechnica

    Here is a list of the 49 Senators who are opposing renewables as demonstrated by their vote:


    U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote
    If you read what was written you'll see that they were not against renewable energy but "extending industry-supporting incentives".

    The Solyndra scam might have had something to do with that.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The reason why, as I said, is that they consider green energy to be liberal and therefore bad. Maybe you haven't heard their rants after all. Well, here's one.
    I listened to the tape and nowhere did he say he was against renewable energy.

    In fact, as I said, I have never heard anyone ever say they were against renewable energy,

    And it seems you've never heard anyone make that claim either.

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