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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Seems to me that Obama is just furthering the goals set by Bush. When Republicans AND Democrats can agree on the same goal (an astonishing occurrence) it's definitely worth looking into.
    There's nothing astonishing about it. Dems and Repubs agree on all of the big important issues like globalization, deficit spending, anti white racism, and that "energy independence" propaganda thing.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    First, the industry does not have to support any enemies. We can get it from, um, HERE.

    Second, what I meant by does not hold a candle is cost vs power output. And again, good luck fighting the environmentalist when trying to put in a wind farm or a massive solar array. How much farm land would have to be removed from crop production in order to have enough 'AE' equipment to power the nation without oil and coal?
    The Great Plains is the Saudi Arabia of wind.

    Windmills have small bases, so you put them IN the farm fields. They yield a much better return for the farmer than the same square footage of potatoes.

    Solar, on the other hand, is most effective on desert land. It is usually built up off the ground so wildlife can move freely underneath.

    Environmental impacts are minimal compared to fracking and oil shale extraction.

    Its also far more difficult to EXPORT AE to more profitable areas of the globe than it is to sell oil obtained in America.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The Great Plains is the Saudi Arabia of wind.

    Windmills have small bases, so you put them IN the farm fields. They yield a much better return for the farmer than the same square footage of potatoes.

    Solar, on the other hand, is most effective on desert land. It is usually built up off the ground so wildlife can move freely underneath.

    Environmental impacts are minimal compared to fracking and oil shale extraction.

    Its also far more difficult to EXPORT AE to more profitable areas of the globe than it is to sell oil obtained in America.
    I like helium-filled aerostats. You can deploy one in about a day from truck and 100Kw. They use even less space than windmills. They catch the more reliable and stronger winds above 1,000 ft. I hope they really catch on. Here's two systems worth considering:

    A plan to make wind-power literally leap out from the box, and sail high into the sky, is the striking vision that this team has put forward. Taking advantage of the stronger and more consistent winds higher in the air, they are seeking to hoist a wind-turbine up to 2,000 feet aloft. Not only could this power source be deployed from a single shipping container in about a day in an emergency – it could offer a new angle to rolling out wind-power, so often strait-jacketed by high costs or local objections of late.

    The problem with harnessing wind-power close to the ground is that the wind flow gets disrupted by buildings, trees and other landscape features. This has led to wind turbines being erected onto ever-higher towers, making the most of the cleaner, faster air up there. However, bigger means more cost, and more environmental impact.

    But what if the buoyancy of a helium-filled shroud was used to concentrate stronger winds into the blades of a horizontally-aligned turbine? Power would be tapped via a conductive tether that holds the system at the optimal altitude. This unique design is adapted from reliable aerostats – essentially tethered blimps – that have decades of experience lifting multi-ton monitoring equipment such as radars into the air for long periods of time.

    This Airborne Wind Turbine concept could be particularly useful in remote locations, where getting traditional energy infrastructure up-and-running can be costly and slow. With up to eight times as much power available at those higher altitudes, the economic case for wind farms in the sky could see them soaring more widely soon.
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    The Advantages of MARS over Conventional Wind Turbines: Wind Power Anywhere™ removes all placement limitations. Coast-line or off-shore locations are not necessary to capture higher speed winds. Reaching winds at 1,000-feet above ground level allow MARS to be installed closer to the grid. MARS is mobile and can be rapidly deployed, deflated, and redeployed without the need for towers or heavy cranes. MARS is bird and bat friendly with lower noise emissions and is capable of operating in a wider range of wind speeds - from 4 mph to greater than 60 mph.

    The Advantages of a MARS combined Wind and Diesel Solution over a Diesel Generator-only solution: MARS can complement a diesel generator by offering a combined diesel-wind power solution. MARS can provide power for a cost that is well below the range of cost for diesel power of $0.50 cents to over $1.00 per kWh in many locations, reflecting the fuel and transportation costs. The MARS combined solution allows lower pollution and green house gas emissions. It also results in lower handling, transporting, and storage costs.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

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    Right. So "Everyone is for that[Renewables]" so long as it isn't Obama? Bring up Renewables and many people especially in the GOP will bring up cronyism. Thus these people are accusing Obama of cronyism for his support of Renewables. Split hairs enough times and you can get the disconnect you're seeking between the two. Look at the events as a whole and there is a clear connection.
    Do you understand what cronyism means? It has nothing to do with energy, renewable or otherwise.

    Updating our energy security is NOT a political strategy for me as it is for so many people. It is a national security imperative. I will support Renewables whether the president is Republican or Democrat. It makes no difference to me.
    Yes, i know. As I said earlier we all support renewable energy but there are many who do not support political corruption. You apparently do not understand the difference.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

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    Yes, i know. As I said earlier we all support renewable energy but there are many who do not support political corruption. You apparently do not understand the difference.
    Alright, what proof do you have of political corruption?
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

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    Alright, what proof do you have of political corruption?
    Schools out. I've lost patience.

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Schools out. I've lost patience.
    Uh huh. Hate on Obama as much as you like. Just don't destroy an important energy policy just to further a political agenda.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

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    Do you understand what cronyism means? It has nothing to do with energy, renewable or otherwise.
    Yes it does



    As I said earlier we all support renewable energy
    No we don't

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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Yes it does





    No we don't
    Now, there's a brilliant reparte, to which I can only reply, no it doesn't and some do and some don't.
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    Re: Solar company bankrupt despite 'win-win' DOE loan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    Now, there's a brilliant reparte, to which I can only reply, no it doesn't and some do and some don't.
    Brilliant repartee aside, who doesn't support renewable energy?

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