Obama fired one across the court's bow and they sent a salvo right back
Obama was asked what he would do if the SC quashed the mandate provision
if he had commented about that contingency, his critics would have screamed and hollered that he threw his solicitor under the bus
so, he noted that it would be unprecedented (wrong, but it would be rare, especially in 'modern' times) for the court to unravel legislation the congress had cobbled together
it had to piss off the court that Obama spoke in terms of politicization of the court and inferring that any ruling against the law would be viewed as judicial activism
Obama is a havard educated legal scholar, who taught Constitutional law. he has to know that the precedent of a public mandate is going to be in the judicial crosshairs
he was trying to use the political equivalent of 'trash talk' to move the game in his direction
my speculation is that it did not work
I don't disagree with most of this paragraph. Perhaps a wiser choice than "unprecedented" would have been "against precedent."It is only a "first impression" because it has never happened before. But Obama was using "unprecedented" in a negative tone. Combine with the fact that he talks about "judical activisim" and "lack of restraint" you know that he was talking, as you also assumed going by your previous post, that by striking down the mandate SCOTUS was breaking past precedent. (which btw is also not "unprecedented"). They've "changed" their minds before.
Well now you are crossing into arguing the merits of what he meant to say. I disagree with you, but right now I'm only arguing that Obama didn't mean what he technically said.Conjecture. But even if he was talking about it so what? That IS dealing with interstate commerce which the government is allowed to do. Getting healthcare insurance or healthcare itself is not always an interstate deal. It is not uncommon for a person to live in the same neighborhood their entire lives and as such, no interstate commerce is involved.
Of course SCOTUS can always change its mind. I believe Obama was expressing his confidence that they wouldn't. And got a little mixed up....few people, least of all conservatives, make the argument that Obama speaks well off the cuff. He's a gifted orator, when he has a teleprompter or is very well-prepared. Better than Bush, of course.So? Just because they haven't before does not mean that they can't now. Combine that fact to the fact that every other law that was passed was obviously about interstate commerce and this is the first one that deals with the individual directly by forcing them to buy something just because they are alive and yeah...whole different ball game.
Isn't a gaffe a mistake that causes embarrassment? I think it is both a mistake and a gaffe.Oh so its just a mistake now is it? Not a "gaff"?
Obama seems to be denying that he even made a mistake, which is silly of him.
I don't see how this is changing the goalposts.
Of course a mistake can happen in a prepared speech. Preparation does not prevent mistakes in 100% of all cases. But that is besides the point because, as I pointed out, this was not to my knowledge a prepared speech.Again, a prepared speech is not something that a mistake can happen with.
Thank you for being fair and honest.But I will be fair and honest with you....Did Obama say this in response to a question by the reporters? Or did he say it during his speech? If it was in response to a reporter then I might concieveably believe that it was a mistake. If it was during his speech then there is no way that it was a mistake. Speeches are normally prepared and checked over a few times to make sure that no mistakes happen.
Obama: Supreme Court overturning health care would be "unprecedented" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
Again, context is everything, and since you couldn't see or understand the context, I just gave it to you.
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The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016
Obama got spanked like a misbehaving child, very fitting.