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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    OH! IN THE "MODERN ERA"! Ok! Its ALL cleared up now. Sorry Mr. Obama, I don't believe you.
    yep the modern era.

    three equal branches of government, but some branches are now "more equal" then others and the process of amending the constitution can be thrown in the dust heap of history along with powdered wigs and declarations of war.

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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Obama fired one across the court's bow and they sent a salvo right back

    Obama was asked what he would do if the SC quashed the mandate provision
    if he had commented about that contingency, his critics would have screamed and hollered that he threw his solicitor under the bus
    so, he noted that it would be unprecedented (wrong, but it would be rare, especially in 'modern' times) for the court to unravel legislation the congress had cobbled together
    it had to piss off the court that Obama spoke in terms of politicization of the court and inferring that any ruling against the law would be viewed as judicial activism
    Obama is a havard educated legal scholar, who taught Constitutional law. he has to know that the precedent of a public mandate is going to be in the judicial crosshairs
    he was trying to use the political equivalent of 'trash talk' to move the game in his direction
    my speculation is that it did not work
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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You might be only talking about one sentence, but I like things in context. Again, its a prepared speech. He meant every word.
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    It is only a "first impression" because it has never happened before. But Obama was using "unprecedented" in a negative tone. Combine with the fact that he talks about "judical activisim" and "lack of restraint" you know that he was talking, as you also assumed going by your previous post, that by striking down the mandate SCOTUS was breaking past precedent. (which btw is also not "unprecedented"). They've "changed" their minds before.
    I don't disagree with most of this paragraph. Perhaps a wiser choice than "unprecedented" would have been "against precedent."

    Conjecture. But even if he was talking about it so what? That IS dealing with interstate commerce which the government is allowed to do. Getting healthcare insurance or healthcare itself is not always an interstate deal. It is not uncommon for a person to live in the same neighborhood their entire lives and as such, no interstate commerce is involved.
    Well now you are crossing into arguing the merits of what he meant to say. I disagree with you, but right now I'm only arguing that Obama didn't mean what he technically said.

    So? Just because they haven't before does not mean that they can't now. Combine that fact to the fact that every other law that was passed was obviously about interstate commerce and this is the first one that deals with the individual directly by forcing them to buy something just because they are alive and yeah...whole different ball game.
    Of course SCOTUS can always change its mind. I believe Obama was expressing his confidence that they wouldn't. And got a little mixed up....few people, least of all conservatives, make the argument that Obama speaks well off the cuff. He's a gifted orator, when he has a teleprompter or is very well-prepared. Better than Bush, of course.

    Oh so its just a mistake now is it? Not a "gaff"?
    Isn't a gaffe a mistake that causes embarrassment? I think it is both a mistake and a gaffe.

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    Obama seems to be denying that he even made a mistake, which is silly of him.

    I don't see how this is changing the goalposts.

    Again, a prepared speech is not something that a mistake can happen with.
    Of course a mistake can happen in a prepared speech. Preparation does not prevent mistakes in 100% of all cases. But that is besides the point because, as I pointed out, this was not to my knowledge a prepared speech.

    But I will be fair and honest with you....Did Obama say this in response to a question by the reporters? Or did he say it during his speech? If it was in response to a reporter then I might concieveably believe that it was a mistake. If it was during his speech then there is no way that it was a mistake. Speeches are normally prepared and checked over a few times to make sure that no mistakes happen.
    Thank you for being fair and honest.

    Obama: Supreme Court overturning health care would be "unprecedented" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here's a good one
    You bragging or complaining here?
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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ummm . . . I did. The judge asked whether or not the President believes a court has the power to strike down a law.

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    Doesn't answer that question.
    You still don't get it. The judge had ordered Holder to answer a question that had absolutely nothing to do with the case that was sitting in front of him. THAT is a huge no no. Holder replied in a way that was sure to really piss off that judge. LMAO.

    Again, context is everything, and since you couldn't see or understand the context, I just gave it to you.
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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Obama got spanked like a misbehaving child, very fitting.

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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here's a good one
    just a question....how are you making a law, by finding it unconstitutional?

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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course they do, which is why Holder's reply to them is so hilarious. That judge should have known what he was doing when he gave that order to the administration, which had nothing at all to do with the case that the order came from. Holder was merely instructing the judge, in a very hilarious way, to abide by legal precedent which the judge should have already known was set in stone. Was it a slap in the face by Holder? Absolutely. Or, better yet, let's call it a legal Soupy Sales letter with egg instead of a pie that Holder threw in his face. LMAO.
    If that's true, then I don't think anyone other than you, Holder, and the judge, gets the joke. By this one simple ruling, Holder was publically embarressed and made into a high school boy, who didn't even do all of his homework(only 2 and a half pages). I think that's the greater point to everyone else in the future, be careful about when you hit judges, they can hit you right back.

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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    who didn't even do all of his homework(only 2 and a half pages).
    In the legal community "no less than 3 pages" is not the same as "at least three full pages."
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    Re: Appeals Court Fires Back At Obama's Comments

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    In the legal community "no less than 3 pages" is not the same as "at least three full pages."
    And that would be legally stupid. Just write 1 word on 3 different sheets of paper. There, "3 pages", and smile, smile, smile. Hey, law works off technicality, right?

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